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Old 10-07-2012, 03:18 AM   #256
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Default Re: New blog post by Amir Weintraub (252#) (10/7/2012) "This movie is Oscar worthy!"

Excellent read as per usual.
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Default Re: New blog post by Amir Weintraub (252#) (10/7/2012) "This movie is Oscar worthy!"

Great insight on how hard for the body a best of 5 can be.

Now ppl could really apreciate what an effort it is to win B2B 5 setters, or GSs overall, DC matches, etc.

It's not because these guys are top athletes that they could go on top of their game for hours and days.

Very interesting read as usual, thanks Amir and thanks to the poster.
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Default Re: New blog post by Amir Weintraub (204#) (6/2/2012) "Sick? Get a Grandma Remedy!"

I hate how he writes in this typical "we are the good guys"-style.
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I hate how he writes in this typical "we are the good guys"-style.
His writing is as candid as it can be, he's pretty much describing the thoughts going through his head as he was playing (it's not easy to translate, as he's switching between tenses all the time, which is kinda a no-no in English), and when you're playing a competitive sport, def. DC - it's us vs. them every time.
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I hate how he writes in this typical "we are the good guys"-style.
How would you expect him to write? Genuinely curious...
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I thought this was about The King.

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That was a great read. He's so candid about everything. His nerves, his fear, his failures.

The devotion the team has for one another is quite touching.
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I hate how he writes in this typical "we are the good guys"-style.
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Another terrific blog by AW.


DC 5 setters must be so difficult for the guys outside the top100. They rarely play slams and thus will have their fitness programs tuned for 2.5 hour matches, maybe 3 at a stretch.
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Great post once again, thx.
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Default Expenses of a tennis player - Tursunov's interview June 2013

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Is it fair to assume professional tennis darling of fortune, shikuyuschimi the expense of others? Why the growth in prize money in the ATP World Tour in recent years won by and large a star? How much is the average player pays the coach of the first hundred? In general, how much is to be a professional tennis player? On these and other issues at the request of the "SE" tried to answer the 30-year-old former 20th and now the 64th number one world ranking Dmitry Tursunov, who earned his career 4,508,524 dollars in prize money, and Boris Sobkin, coach of the first racket of Russia Mikhail Youzhny.

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Dmitry Tursunov, "go into minus? THIS IS NOT EXCLUDED!"

TAXES

- Let's start from the end, to be exact - with taxes. If you think we do not pay, you are deeply mistaken - began his monologue Tursunov. - Let us consider the example of the situation in the Australian Open. After losing in the first round, tennis this year received 27,600 Australian dollars - about 20,000 euros. And such, this amount was only this year thanks to the complaints themselves players.

In Australia, the tax is unfixed. So there players provide paper or checks with costs they incurred while participating in the Australian Open. The tax amount is calculated based on the final net earnings Player. Of course, the cost can be a little "throw" but it is a risky business: when verifying the data you can catch on inaccuracies.

As for the other tournament "Grand Slam", then at Roland Garros tax rate is 15%, at Wimbledon - 20%, while US Open - 30%.

TICKETS

Now about the cost. It usually starts with transportation costs. Long road to Melbourne, and for the flight to Melbourne I will certainly take business class ticket, which will pay out of pocket. It is estimated 3,000 euros.

In Australia, I once flew economy class. But at my age to do so is not worth it - it is more expensive. The body can not iron, and after the economy class you three or four days you can not straighten up properly and train.

If you take with a trainer and physiotherapist, then buy tickets and it - but in economy. It has about 3,000 euros for two. But if I was working with a mentor Brad Gilbert level, it is, of course, has requested a slightly different conditions for the flight. The higher the level the coach, the more he needs.

TEAM

Their team all the tennis players pay in different ways. I pay weekly. Coach - 1000 euros per week plus 15 percent of the prize money earned after taxes. That is my coach takes interest in the money that remains to me. Salary physiotherapist - 1000 euros per week. But this rate is low enough, and you can tell me what to do substantial discount.

But other tennis players often other payment systems. For example, I heard that in the same period of the Gilbert and Andy Roddick had no salary at all, but it would take more than a few of the top athletes. All this pre-specified in the contract.

HOUSING

The system of payment for hotels tournament "Grand Slam" and the ATP World Tour different. At competitions ATP organizers usually pay for a separate room for the player - at least 5 days or until such time as you have not lost. The last couple of months I lived in one room with his physical therapist to save money and not pay for another room. But if someone from the team starts to climb into the bottle and says that he needs a private room, you're still one thing - to find a compromise.

Most often live together coach and physiotherapist - again at the expense of the player. If the tournament comes to your beautiful half, the situation is, of course, is changing dramatically - and saving is no longer possible. Many necessarily believe that the girl and her expenses - this is a luxury (smiles).

But on the "Grand Slam" to pay for hotels players emit a kind of subsistence. For example, at Roland Garros, they account for about 250 euros a day. With this money you can stay in a fairly average four-star hotel, the room is not very large.

Many tennis players from the first twenty or tridtsatka world ranking prefer to stay in hotels, where rooms cost between 300 euros and above, paying extra difference out of pocket. What for? For example, you have a match begins at 11 am, and you go for breakfast at 8 or 9 o'clock. And at this time in the restaurants standard tourist hotels - a swarm of people. And you're wasting too much time to just order an omelet. As a result, and time is running out, and nerves spent.

So tennis players advisable to stay in small hotels, where in all respects calmer. After all, first of all you aspire to the most basic comfort: that the bed was comfortable and the air conditioner worked fine, but not as a diesel tractor. Otherwise it will be impossible to prepare properly for the match. Do not sleep enough - and how do you want to run five sets? Deigned to dine for breakfast fried sausages? Please do not forget that the rules of the tournament "Grand Slam" are you for five games only twice can absent himself in the toilet.

NUTRITION

This is certainly an extremely important part. Here, too, in various tournaments in different ways. For example, at the French Open you accrued at 37 euros a day. By the way, for us, the tennis players, it is one of the most friendly tournament "Grand Slam". Even if you lost money on the accreditation card with a special chip has three or four days regularly replenished. Whereas in other competitions have to climb for his wallet the next day after the defeat.

Now about the prices. At the same Roland Garros main dish at the restaurant for tennis players on average costs 12 euros, and salad - 9. That is, for 37 euros you can eat a maximum of twice a day. And it is not certain that the stowed. And it sometimes happens that you prepare for a match, you take a small portion, you pay for it, eat and go away to play. But the meeting was repeatedly interrupted because of rain, and you almost every time you have a little "refuel." A cash counter all working, working ... Of course, this does not happen every day, but ...

In addition, you have to pay for a table for the trainer and physiotherapist. Because that salary that you pay for the work of his team, the tournament remains untouched. If team members understand your situation, you also save. For example, do not choose the official hotel, but something cheaper. Fasting is, of course, no one will, but at the expense of 300 euros you will not do. But that's in theory. But in practice, trainers and physical therapists about the economy not steamed. It turns out, I was with my current team were lucky.

Of course, with team members can specify in advance the amount of per diem for meals and sundry expenses - for example, $ 60 a day. But in England, or in Monte Carlo on the money you can only dine. So there has to spend more.

FORM AND RACKET

- Thank God, both as long as I get free from their sponsors (smiles). But some guys have to pay for running shoes with T-shirts, and for inventory. Although compared with other outlay buy sports clothing - a trifle. In a year you spend on it is 3000 - 4000 euros, not more.

As for the washing shape during the competition, then in some tournaments offer this service for free, and have to shell out somewhere. In Barcelona, ​​Dusseldorf, we were spending on the 60 - 70 euros per week. But in the tournament "Grand Slam" wash free.

About the stringing too are nuances. At last year's Roland Garros draw a racquet for a player during qualifying cost 20 euros, and for a tennis player main draw - 5 euro more. And pull the same, and take depending on how much you earn. That is, in fact, it turns out, as in the French tax system: more money - you pay more. But it is worth hundreds of players to the first complaint, it is necessary to raise the prize money, they hear in response, saying, learn to play, that will rise in the rankings - and then you earn revenues.

As you know, the one racket does not play a tournament. The same Andy Murray pulls 9 racquets to match, plus two or three rackets in training days before the competition. So that the amount could eventually prove to be formidable.

IMAGE

Of course, I want to spend some money on herself - her privacy, family, or set aside for a rainy day. Specifically, tennis is not concerned, but still. If a known film actor arrives at a event, he has to think of a good car, be well dressed, right? So it is here. Tennis tournament arrives at the presentation of the trolley and in clothing unbecoming of his status, around say, 'meanie! " Although I must confess: expensive clothing brands mostly buy exclusively on sales, or during periods of discounts. Generally I megaskuperdyay - a sort of Scrooge McDuck.

Let's sum up. Can a tennis player to come out negative or zero play in the tournament? Yes, such a situation can not be excluded. As they say, never say never.

TRAINING

Recently flew to train in Monte Carlo, because to do so in Moscow, it was useless. The only clay courts, more or less corresponds to the level of the game, are we on the "River Station". But to go in traffic jams across the city to work out - then still a pleasure. Moreover, at the end of lessons have yet to reach the capital from the north to Rublevki where there is a sensible physical therapist, and then again to return to practice. Option is not the easiest. And in other parts of Moscow for the courts to pay. Although the members of the team, in my opinion, to do it at home - in a strange way.

So, even Monte Carlo in comparison with Moscow - a viable option in terms of time and nerves. And even at such a gathering you pay for coach and physiotherapist - all their own expenses plus. Such training - it is, in fact, contributed to his career in the hope that it will pay off in the future. But, unfortunately, it's not a guarantee of earnings.

MANAGER

I am lucky that I have a manager. Although it loudly. In fact, this is the person who helped me over the last 18 years with contracts and other niceties and does not require any fees for it. From an early age he repeated to me that I should not have to spend a lot, show off - just do not go crazy. This allowed me to save a little for the future.

Still it is necessary to take into account how much money spent on the tennis my father to the moment when I really began to play. It is not one hundred thousand dollars. It turns out, plus I got a lot later than started earning. A year or two with a big scratch out a zero, working mainly on the salary successful coach in the hope that his knowledge will allow me to play at a high level. Again, it was a kind of investment in the future.

By the way, my manager was a good school life, he emigrated to the United States with a hole in your pocket, and eventually amassed a living. I was very lucky that caught the person who is responsible for my savings. The same can not be said of many managers who are not particularly baked on savings of their wards.

Here the situation is the same individual, as in the case with the coach - everyone is spinning as you can. I know one tennis player has earned 1.9 million dollars in his career, and a huge part of who gave the money to the sponsor, who helped him in his childhood, but at the signing of the agreement included a percentage of the prize money there.

SUMMARY

Relatively speaking, a 10-year career, you earn 1.9 million dollars. You pay 20% tax - and it turns out that in the year you oncoming approximately 150,000 of income and expenditures of at least 100,000. That is, in fact, you romp through the world 10 years, and before that it was another 15 years of training - and earn about 5,000 dollars a month.

Here on this amount and you live - and are lucky player from the first hundred.
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Really interesting to get some real figures from Tursunov. Not new information but it's a fact that very few are earning a lot from tennis as even those in the top 20 earning a decent amount are paying a lot for coaches; physios; travel etc. No such issues in team sports like football etc.
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Default Tursunov on how much it costs to be a tennis player

First of all, I'm sorry for creating another thread on the topic that's already been discussed on MTF. I just didn't find a similar thread to post it there. If mods decide to merge threads I won't object.

One of the leading Russian sports newspapers ("Sport-Express") asked Tursunov to write on what it costs to be a tennis player. Mitya agreed and came up with a detailed story.
The text below is mostly a Google Translate version (I only tried to correct some glaring mistakes).

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Taxes

Let's start from the end, to be exact—from taxes. If you think tennis players don’t pay them you are deeply mistaken. Let’s take Australian Open as an example. After losing in the first round this year players received 27,600 AUD—about 20,000 euros. And the prize money were increased only because the players complained about it.

In Australia the tax is not fixed. The tax sum is calculated based on the net earnings of a player. So you need to provide checks or papers confirming your expenditure during the participation at the Australian Open. Of course you can try to inflate your costs but it’s risky—you can be exposed when the data are verified.

As for the other Grand Slam tournaments the tax rate at Roland Garros is 15%, at Wimbledon—20%, at the US Open—30%.

Travelling

Now let’s break expenses down. Usually it starts with travelling expenses. It’s a long flight to Melbourne and I’d definitely book business class paying for it out of my own pocket. It is approx. 3,000 euros.

I used to travel economy class but the age takes its toll on me. After economy flight I wouldn’t be able to straighten up properly and train for three or four days.

If you travel with a trainer and physiotherapist you buy tickets for them—but in economy class. That’s another 3,000 euros. Now I was worked with someone of Brad Gilbert caliber I’d probably have to book business class for him as well. The more famous coach you have the more it costs.
Player’s team

There are different ways to pay your team members. I pay them weekly. The coach gets 1,000 euros per week plus 15 percent of the prize money earned by me (after taxes). The trainer gets 1,000 euros per week—and it’s a fairly small sum. I’m lucky the trainer agrees to work with me for it.
I heard that when Gilbert worked with Andy Roddick he had no fixed salary at all but was paid out of Roddick’s prize money. All these details are pre-specified in the contract.

Hotels

There are different systems at Grand Slams and ATP tournaments. At the ATP events the organizers usually book a room for each player—either for 5 days or till the day following your loss. The last couple of months I shared the room with my trainer—just to save money.

Bust most often the coach and the trainer share the room booked for them by the player. Now if you have a girlfriend travelling with you it’s the whole different situation, you can’t save money with her. That’s why a lot of players believe having a girlfriend is a luxury. (smiling)

As for Grand Slams the player’s hotel costs are covered by the organizers on a daily basis. For example, at Roland Garros you receive about 250 euros a day. With this money you can book a not very large room at fairly average four-star hotel.

Many tennis players ranked Top-20 or Top-30 prefer to stay at the hotels where the room costs 300 euros and more paying the difference out of their pocket. Why? For example, you have a match scheduled at 11 am which means you need to have a breakfast at 8 or 9 am. And at this time the restaurants in the most hotels are overcrowded, you're wasting too much time just to order an omelet. As a result you start nervous you have run out of time.

That’s why it’s better to stay at smaller, more cozy hotels. After all, what you need the most is a basic comfort—good sleep in your bed and AC working fine but not as loud as a diesel. Otherwise it will be impossible to prepare for the match properly. You haven’t slept enough. Then how do you plan to run for five sets? Had fried sausages for breakfast? Ok, but do not forget that you can take toilet break only twice during a Grand Slam match.

Food

This is extremely important and different tournaments work in different ways. For example, at the French Open you receive 37 euros a day for food. By the way Roland Garros is one of the most players-friendly tournaments. Even if you are eliminated from the tournament you still have food money adding up on your accreditation card with a special chip for three or four days.

Now about the prices. At the French Open’s players restaurant the main dish on average costs 12 euros, salad—9 euros. That means for 37 euros you can eat a maximum of twice a day. And sometimes it goes like this—you prepare for the match, you take a small portion, you pay for it, eat and go to play. Then the match is repeatedly interrupted because of rain, and almost every time you need to "refuel" yourself—and you pay more and more. Of course is does not happen every day but still…

In addition you have to pay for the coach and the trainer. If your team understand your situation you also save. Of course they won’t go fasting but they won’t order a 300-euro dish either. But that's in theory. In practice not everyone cares how much all it costs. I’m lucky to have my current team.

Tennis gear

Thank God, I get everything free from my sponsors. But some guys have to pay for shoes, apparel, racquets etc. Although compared with other expenses that’s not much—3,000-4,000 euros a year.
The laundry at Grand Slam tournaments is free but at Barcelona and Dusseldorf we spent 60-70 euros a week.

Stringing the racquets has its nuances too. At last year's Roland Garros it cost 20 euros to string a racquet during the qualifying tournament and 25 euros during the main tournament. That’s like with the French tax system—the more successful you are the more you are charged.

As you know you can’t have just one racquet for the tournament. Andy Murray has 9 racquets strung for each match plus two or three racquets for training days before the competition. So by the end of the tournament the costs could prove to be considerable.

Public appearance

Of course you want to spend some money on yourself—your private life, family—or put something aside for a rainy day. That’s not something directly related to tennis but still… If a famous actor arrives at an event he has to think of a good car, be well dressed, right? The same goes for tennis players who attend tennis parties and sponsor presentations. If you go by a tram and are dressed poorly they’ll call you stingy. But I must confess: I buy expensive clothing brands mostly during the sales. So yes, I’m a mega-stingy, a sort of Scrooge McDuck.

Training

Recently I flew to train to Monte Carlo, because it’s impossible to do so in Moscow. The only clay courts maintained on a good level are on the other side of the city. To get there and then get to a good therapist you need to spend hours at the traffic jams.

So even Monte Carlo—in comparison with Moscow—is a viable option in terms of time and nerves. Of course you still need to pay to your coach and trainer in hope that all the training will pay off in the future. You have to train a lot but, unfortunately, it's not a guarantee of future earnings.

Manager

I am lucky I have my manager. Though, in fact, he’s not exactly a manager, he’s the one who’s been helping me with contracts and other niceties for more than 18 years and never required any fees for it. From an early age he repeated to me that I should not spend a lot, show off or go crazy. This allowed me to save a little for the future.

It is also necessary to take into account how much money my father had spent on my training before I started to produce some results. It is hundreds of thousands dollars. For a year or two I was earning just enough to have a good coach who, as I hoped, would help me get to the next level where I could really make profit. Again, it was a kind of investment in the future.

Besides, I was very lucky to have a manager who really cared about my savings. The same can’t be said of managers of many other players. I know a player who has earned 1.9 million dollars in his career and a lion share of this money went to the sponsor who helped him in his childhood but included a clause on his share in player’s earnings in the sponsor agreement.

Conclusion

So imagine you played for 10 years and earned 1.9 million dollars. You paid 20% on taxes so on average your income was 150,000 dollars per year. Your yearly expenditures amounted for 100,000 minimum. That means you earned about 5,000 dollars a month. That’s the money you are living on being considered a fairly successful Top-100 player at that.

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So sad that the mid- lower ranked players earn so less compared to the top 10. I think Dmitry is lucky he atleast has a sponsor for his gear. Imagine the players who dont even have that
Its good the top players are fighting for higher wages for these guys
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