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Nadal more than 15 matches ahead. 103 39.31%
Nadal 13-14 matches ahead. 25 9.54%
Nadal 11-12 matches ahead. 19 7.25%
Nadal 9-10 matches ahead. 20 7.63%
Nadal 7-8 matches ahead. 20 7.63%
Nadal 5-6 matches ahead. 18 6.87%
Nadal 3-4 matches ahead. 5 1.91%
Nadal 1-2 matches ahead. 1 0.38%
Equal 4 1.53%
Federer ahead 47 17.94%
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Old 10-07-2012, 12:13 PM   #1171
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yes but like many things of the tennis history of the last 40 years, it has been contested as "stupid" or absurd only since one player arrived on Tour.
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Old 10-07-2012, 12:23 PM   #1172
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Slowralian Open, Slowland Garros, Slowbledon and Ultra Slow Open. Correlation doesn't imply causation. I'm sure Sampras in his prime could have easily beat any recreational player on clay, but that doesn't mean clay suits his game. Likewise, Fed winning on slower surfaces doesn't mean that the surfaces are inherently beneficial to him.
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Old 10-07-2012, 01:05 PM   #1173
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Slowralian Open, Slowland Garros, Slowbledon and Ultra Slow Open. Correlation doesn't imply causation. I'm sure Sampras in his prime could have easily beat any recreational player on clay, but that doesn't mean clay suits his game. Likewise, Fed winning on slower surfaces doesn't mean that the surfaces are inherently beneficial to him.
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Old 10-07-2012, 02:04 PM   #1174
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Murray's not the same level as Fed or Novak but talent and game wise he's far superior to Roddick, Baghdatis, Hewitt etc. Sure Andy, Lleyton etc. may have got the slams due to when they played but they never had the complete game that Murray has. Murray showed his game could hurt the top guys from when he first emerged on tour and he's a real rival to the rest of the top 4 even if he hasn't won a slam yet.

Anyway, Fed has 17, Nadal 11. Not even comparable yet. My point was that somehow focusing on Fed doing better age wise now is stupid - it was always expected Nadal would do better when younger and given how many slams he's missed he's not done too shabbily. I don't think Fed played in a "weak era" - he was always going to be too good. But I do think post 2008 as Novak and Murray stepped up the competition at SF, F level has been tougher for all for them and that will be count in Nadal (and Fed's for his later slams) favour.

At this stage, it's irrelevant. 6 is too big a gap. If the gap becomes 1 or 2 slams then I'm sure other factors will be considered. Fed has many more arguments than just slam numbers of course but it would allow for a debate where right now I think the slam difference is too big to entertain it. Finally, weak clay era is a stupid argument. Anyone can see just by watching Nadal's game that he would have been just as great in any clay era. Fed is a fantastic claycourter and has squeaked out 2 wins over his career. Same for Novak. Coria was great and struggled. Ferrer's pretty great and will run all day but still struggles. Doubt Guga would have denied Rafa many titles.
Yeah, only just read this, but it's a pretty spot on post.

Adding to that last bit about Nadal's dominance on clay, same goes for Federer between 2004-2007. He would have dominated the field OFF CLAY then regardless of the competition. He was just too good, much like Nadal on clay.
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Would make the Asian swing a lot more interesting
There is absolutely NO reason to add even another challenger on clay before there are at least 3-4 more grass tournaments, including one Masters.
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Well we all know Federer is better than Nadal. That's obvious.
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Well we all know Federer is better than Nadal. That's obvious.
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Regarding the matches, Rafa is winning the matches played against Federer but for me it does not matter that much, for example, Davydenko has a favorable record but we all agree that Rafa is better than the Russian."

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Well we all know Federer is better than Nadal. That's obvious.

How often are you going to repeat this?
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Well we all know Federer is better than Nadal. That's obvious.
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I's obvious that Federer is better than Nadal. We all know that.
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Well we all know Federer is better than Nadal. That's obvious.
Ah yes, Fedtards and their lovely arguments from fallacies. Lovely reasoning with these three chumps
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Ah yes, Fedtards and their lovely arguments from fallacies. Lovely reasoning with these three chumps
At least we don't need to resort to crying and calling people names to make ourselves feel worthwhile.
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