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Moozza · 10-06-2012, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Slasher1985

3 ATP 250, 2 ATP 500 finals, 0 Masters finals, 0 GS finals.

Murray at Raonic's current age:

6 ATP 250, 1 ATP 500, 2 Masters, 1 GS final.

There is still a large difference in career success. It shows how much standards have dropped when it comes to judging young players if Raonic is considered the best hope.

Another way of looking at it:

Masters best at 21: Raonic-QF Murray-W
Slam best at 21: raonic-R4 Murray-F

Slasher1985 · 10-06-2012, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Mooza2011

Are you trying to argue against me or with me with those stats?

It's the truth. Just because I don't like Murray doesn't mean I have to argue against the truth. It's clear that Murray was more gifted when he was Raonic's age. Doesn't speak for the future though. Each player's career is different.

156mphserve · 10-06-2012, 10:33 PM

Tennis is different then it was back then, peak years have moved back, and the game is more physical, so it makes sense that younger prospects would have achieved less than years past.

But I'm not gonna argue with anyone about that, that has been been gone over and over time and time again, and this is not really the place anyway

156mphserve · 10-06-2012, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Slasher1985

You need to change your sig for 14th, or 11th if he wins the tournaments.

You don't need to remind me about future changes before they happen. I will change it when it happens, If I don't then you can remind me

I'm just hoping he can soon make the top 10 and hopefully this years WTF

Win tonight against Nishikori would be a good 1st step, valuable 200 points up for grabs tonight

allpro · 10-06-2012, 11:08 PM

impressive display of mental fortitude from milos down a break and match points in the 3rd. the key differentiator is his newfound willingness to stand closer to the baseline and take the ball on the rise, opening up better angles and net attacking opportunities. noticeable improvement on the ros as well as he’s finally stepping in and attacking the 2nd serve instead of reacting from 4 ft behind the baseline. 46% of 2nd serve pts won versus only 30% in new york...that’s a massive improvement. props to galo blanco & co.

disappointing to see murray lose control of his emotions, esp. in light of his revelatory 5th set performance in new york. at one point raonic immediately challenged a service call to which murray screamed “that’s fucking bullshit!”. milos looked befuddled, then grinned as if to say “i’ve got him now”. andy needs to stay in control of his emotions (he's no john mcenroe) and act like a gs champ and olympian instead of a whiny little bitch.

156mphserve · 10-06-2012, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by allpro

disappointing to see murray lose control of his emotions, esp. in light of his revelatory 5th set performance in new york. at one point raonic immediately challenged a service call to which murray screamed “that’s fucking bullshit!”. milos looked befuddled, then grinned as if to say “i’ve got him now”. andy needs to stay in control of his emotions (he's no john mcenroe) and act like a gs champ and olympian instead of a whiny little bitch.

I rememebr that, and the funny thing was, the very previous point, Milos hit a ball out, which was called in, Murray hit the shot, it when into the net so then he decided to challenge. Basically the exact same thing he was mad that Milos did he did the very previous point.

Murray won his challenge, MIlos lost his

tektonac · 10-06-2012, 11:24 PM

well done Milos.

Honestly · 10-06-2012, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Mooza2011

Raonic isn't winning any slams at all.

Ok Nostradamus.

Moozza · 10-06-2012, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Honestly

Ok Nostradamus.

I'm not claiming to be a prediction master like Everko but in my opinion if he was a future slam winner he would probably have atleast played a slam QF by now. He'll probably win a masters title and get top 5 ranking at some point in his career but not much more.

BroTree123 · 10-06-2012, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by GSMnadal

Hmm...poor effort from Sapeod this time. He went for the 30% this time, should've seen it coming. Lack of smileys is disturbing to say the least.

NID. As expected, he didn't even watch the match

156mphserve · 10-06-2012, 11:35 PM

And had he reached a slam QF by now then that statement above would more than likely say "in my opinion if he was a future slam winner he would probably have atleast played a slam SF by now"

Honestly · 10-06-2012, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Mooza2011

I'm not claiming to be a prediction master like Everko but in my opinion if he was a future slam winner he would probably have atleast played a slam QF by now. He'll probably win a masters title and get top 5 ranking at some point in his career but not much more.

None of the young guns have done much so far. He has probably done the best. Tomug made Wimby quarters but what has he done outside of that?

allpro · 10-06-2012, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Mooza2011

In my opinion if he was a future slam winner he would probably have atleast played a slam QF by now.

that's a silly statement and it demonstrates a complete lack of understanding of the game.

Moozza · 10-06-2012, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by allpro

that's a silly statement and it demonstrates a complete lack of understanding of the game.

Please explain why it is silly.

allpro · 10-06-2012, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Mooza2011

Please explain why it is silly.

it's overly simplistic. you can't just say 'X Player' hasn't reached 'Y stage' at 'Z age', hence he/she will never win a slam. you've got to look at other variables and assess a players game, talent, weapons, future potential, future competition, etc.