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Old 10-06-2012, 08:31 PM   #46
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Slasher, to answer your question, I'd rather take Chang's RG title than Marcelo's #1.
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Slasher, to answer your question, I'd rather take Chang's RG title than Marcelo's #1.
Rafter, Rafter, not Marcelo. Would you take Chang over Rafter ?

EDIT: Yeah, you're right. Rafter has 2 GS. So, the way you said is the better questions.

Everyone: Chang vs. Rios. Which one was better ?

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Rafter, Rafter, not Marcelo. Would you take Chang over Rafter ?
oops, misread your post I guess. No, I wouldn't take Chang over Rafter. I'd take Patrick any day (2 slam wins, 2 Wimbledon finals, Chang is not even close to Rafter).
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oops, misread your post I guess. No, I wouldn't take Chang over Rafter. I'd take Patrick any day.
Yeah, but you were right to answer like that. See my late edit.
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Rios won several masters in addition to this #1. Gaudio only reached one TMS final so he didn't back his success up, Rios did.

IMO weeks at #1 only comes into play if two players have very identical careers (slams, masters wins)

For example Roddick and Murray's careers are pretty much dead even, yet I think at this stage it's R-Andy who has the slight edge due to his #1 ranking. But if M-Andy gets even 1 week at the summit, he will pass him straight away.
Gaudio never reached a TMS final. Are you thinking of Calleri in 2003 Hamburg?
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Lenders, Lenders, Lenders... Let's start off:
1. You DO NOT always have to play the best players to win a GS... For example, Lleyton Hewitt Wimbledon 2002
R1: Unseeded 30 year old Jonas Bjorkman
R2: Qualifier Gregory Carraz
R3: Unseeded Julian Knowle
R4: Unseeded Mikhail Youzhny
QF: 18th seed Sjeng Schalken
SF: 4th seed Tim Henman (bad record in SF's)
F: 28th seed David Nalbandian

Did Hewitt have to beat the best players to win that? Nope.

2. While the ranking system might not always provide the best player in the world, you have to win a string of matches/tournaments to be ranked at #1 (far more than 7 matches when someone is on a hot streak) It is far more likely to fluke a GS then No. 1 and that is a fact.
You say that like Bjorkman didn't play good tennis well into his 30's. Did you even follow tennis in 2002?
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Rafter, Rafter, not Marcelo. Would you take Chang over Rafter ?

EDIT: Yeah, you're right. Rafter has 2 GS. So, the way you said is the better questions.

Everyone: Chang vs. Rios. Which one was better ?
Rios, any day of the week.
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Yeah, but you were right to answer like that. See my late edit.
yup just noticed that you edited your post. I'd also take Muster over Chang. well, I guess that's logical because Muster was #1.
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You say that like Bjorkman didn't play good tennis well into his 30's. Did you even follow tennis in 2002?
No... I was 4 Hewitt straight-setted him, so he couldn't have been that amazing. Besides, look at the rest of the draw....
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Bjorkman will play in Wimbledon semi in 4 years after that tournament, he was still decent player. And it only shows what a great grass court player Lleyton was.
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Bjorkman will play in Wimbledon semi in 4 years after that tournament, he was still decent player. And it only shows what a great grass court player Lleyton was.

He got a very generous draw that time, and got demolished once he met a decent player. Plus, why focus on that? Look at the rest of Lleyton's draw...
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don't see how this ended up discussing stuff like Bjorkman. But you see Bjorman won 9 slams and was nr1..........in doubles! He was quite the player.



For the topic: In men's tennis it usually goes hand in hand anyway. Federer, Sampras both spent a huge amount of weeks as nr1 as they collected slams.

A 14-15 slam winner that hasn't spent 200+ weeks as nr would feel very wrong. Maybe Nadal can become one as he spent so much time as nr2. But Nadal's resume has bigger holes than that so probably nothing that keeps Rafito awake at night.

Slams is what media and casuals focus most on so guess it's most important. Only the true tennis fans really care about time spent at #1. Many casual fans don't even understand the ranking system in the first place and the concept of defending points and so forth.
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don't see how this ended up discussing stuff like Bjorkman.
Neither do I
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Chang vs. Rios. Which one was better ?
Chang had over 100 GS wins. Rios? Hell no. Chang >>> Rios.
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don't see how this ended up discussing stuff like Bjorkman. But you see Bjorman won 9 slams and was nr1..........in doubles! He was quite the player.



For the topic: In men's tennis it usually goes hand in hand anyway. Federer, Sampras both spent a huge amount of weeks as nr1 as they collected slams.

A 14-15 slam winner that hasn't spent 200+ weeks as nr would feel very wrong. Maybe Nadal can become one as he spent so much time as nr2. But Nadal's resume has bigger holes than that so probably nothing that keeps Rafito awake at night.

Slams is what media and casuals focus most on so guess it's most important. Only the true tennis fans really care about time spent at #1. Many casual fans don't even understand the ranking system in the first place and the concept of defending points and so forth.
Vice versa. Fans can not know about prestigious of some tournaments, but all realize what it means to be #1.

#1 is the same thing for any branch in life, it`s easier to understand and estimate.
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