[Commander Data]

Romney scoring points. Him winning would be a nightmare... C'mon Obama, pull yourself together!

[Tommy_Vercetti]

How a nightmare? I don't understand what difference people think they will see. Obama has utterly failed in every aspect of his Presidency. And his DOJ in particular will go down as the most corrupt and divisive in history.

If the DNC had any real integrity and concern about the country, they would never have nominated Obama for a second term. Same as the RNC in 2004. They should never have allowed Bush to receive the party nomination. The political parties only care about their positions, not the greater good.

And don't forget that long before the unprecedented bias of the 2008 election, the press have always twisted the debates to serve their purpose. Kerry was absolutely terrible and transparently false against Bush and yet all we heard about was how he won and he was going to win the election. And of course we know how that turned out.

The debates have always been overrated. It will depend on their ability to use voter fraud in the close states and getting the lowest elements of society to turn out in record numbers to cast votes for Obama again.

[jmjhb]

That debate was essentially Obama being taken out behind the wood shed for a beating.

[Tommy_Vercetti]

No, it's Obama when he doesn't have a teleprompter or speechwriters and actually having to answer questions.

He's the most scripted human being in history.

[orangehat]

Originally Posted by Tommy_Vercetti

No, it's Obama when he doesn't have a teleprompter or speechwriters and actually having to answer questions.

He's the most scripted human being in history.

So ... he had a teleprompter when he was debating McCain???

[Tommy_Vercetti]

McCain had already threw his campaign away by allowing the press to get away with the manufactured financial crisis.

And Obama's performance in that debate is almost overrated as Kerry's. There's wishful thinking and outright lying. And if you give him the benefit of the doubt, then so be it. But Obama has not delivered on anything he was pedaling in 08.

[TigerTim]

Originally Posted by Tommy_Vercetti

McCain had already threw his campaign away by allowing the press to get away with the manufactured financial crisis.

And Obama's performance in that debate is almost overrated as Kerry's. There's wishful thinking and outright lying. And if you give him the benefit of the doubt, then so be it. But Obama has not delivered on anything he was pedaling in 08.

[Tommy_Vercetti]

Foreigners might not remember that big overblown "credit crisis" issue that was somehow spun to mean that Obama and the Democrats had to win the White House. McCain, to his eternal shame, pretty much bought into it and shelved his campaign. It was the most dishonest news reporting I have ever witnessed. The crisis already existed, but the press suddenly decided that it was the major issue of the election and somehow Obama had to be elected.

[jmjhb]

Also, McCain was a doddering old fool. Unsurprising that Obama wiped the floor with him in the debates.

[Tommy_Vercetti]

McCain was actually the best candidate for the Presidency in the last 20 years, in terms of his personal integrity and ability to work with others. Without exception, all of the others have been very far of center. And the Democrats especially. People think Bush was some sort of extremist, but he was a hardline moderate compared to Clinton, Kerry or Obama. They are the most left-wing of all the left-wing politicians. Same with Romney. He doesn't appeal to the most right-wing of the base because he's not an extremist. The media are experts at allowing DNC extremists become viable candidates. The Republicans put up candidates who are not in the center, but are not at the extreme end of their party. The Democrats always put up the most leftist members. Kerry was absolute most liberal member of the senate for decades, more so than Kennedy even.

And instead of that, we get an American Idol contest with tabloid news coverage.

And putting too much stock in a debate is never a good thing. Plenty of intelligent and articulate people are not good in debates. And plenty that are really just babbling idiots can dominate them. Same with speakers. Clinton is the most overrated speaker in history, because the press loves him. In reality, his speeches were/are always about how to say nothing that matters and distorted talking points.

[Punky]

obama can talkk the talk but thats all he is good at

america needs a Businessman who will create jobs

[TigerTim]

Originally Posted by Tommy_Vercetti

McCain was actually the best candidate for the Presidency in the last 20 years, in terms of his personal integrity and ability to work with others. Without exception, all of the others have been very far of center. And the Democrats especially. People think Bush was some sort of extremist, but he was a hardline moderate compared to Clinton, Kerry or Obama. They are the most left-wing of all the left-wing politicians. Same with Romney. He doesn't appeal to the most right-wing of the base because he's not an extremist. The media are experts at allowing DNC extremists become viable candidates. The Republicans put up candidates who are not in the center, but are not at the extreme end of their party. The Democrats always put up the most leftist members. Kerry was absolute most liberal member of the senate for decades, more so than Kennedy even.

And instead of that, we get an American Idol contest with tabloid news coverage.

And putting too much stock in a debate is never a good thing. Plenty of intelligent and articulate people are not good in debates. And plenty that are really just babbling idiots can dominate them. Same with speakers. Clinton is the most overrated speaker in history, because the press loves him. In reality, his speeches were/are always about how to say nothing that matters and distorted talking points.

In America perhaps.

[Tommy_Vercetti]

Yes, in America of course.

[TigerTim]

Clinton left America in a good financial position no?

[Punky]

Originally Posted by TigerTim

Clinton left America in a good financial position no?

if im not mistaken, Budget surplus of several hundred million dollars

but hey, obama is not clinton