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Old 10-04-2012, 12:23 AM   #91
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Really? How is this year more disappointing than, say, 2009 where he got kicked out of RG by Kohli and was outclassed on grass by Haasi? Didn't come close to a slam, and never made a slam final.
He was simply playing bad that year, and was nowhere near making some great result.
All his losses this year were caused by nothing else but his mental state, except maybe for Isner match. Take RG final for example. You can't take 8 straight games off Nadal on clay and then claim that you weren't good enough. Also US open final, comes back fro 0-2 and then goes awol in the 5th.
All in the head.
When I said disappointing, I meant it's so sad to watch him loose matches that he would have won easily with just half of last year's mental fortitude. You are supposed to become even tougher when you overcome such obstacles that he overcame, not the other way around.
This will all become evident next time he steamrolls Fed or Murray, as soon as one of them fails to stick with him from the get-go.
He will then proceed to loose another few tight matches and after that, he will either get his act together or start loosing comfortably to any in-form player that comes his way
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^^That's over-simplification. At RG he was greatly helped by muggy weather late in the match, as soon as it was sunny and dry he wasn't anywhere near winning the set. At USO he looked struggling more physically than mentally. Besides, mentality is important, but it's not a silver bullet by any means
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^^That's over-simplification. At RG he was greatly helped by muggy weather late in the match, as soon as it was sunny and dry he wasn't anywhere near winning the set. At USO he looked struggling more physically than mentally. Besides, mentality is important, but it's not a silver bullet by any means
Yeah. I'm sure it always comes down to a combination of both physical and mental, but he looked physically drained during the 5th set of the USO final. Remember how he lost his serve entirely?
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mug year obviously

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His only regrets should be losing the USO final to Murray - he was clearly the better player in non-windy conditions, might feel a bit hard done there - and losing an Olympic medal to Delpo - it was a very winnable match for him there. Apart from that, every result has either met or exceeded expectations - at least SF in every tournament bar Madrid, 1 Slam title, 2 finals, 1 semi... a great year by any standards. He only lost Wimbledon and RG to record holders at the respective Slams, hardly bad defeats.

Novak Djokovic is the best tennis player in the world today, that should be enough to prove it was a great year.
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I would agree that losing USO must feel very disappointing for him - after all losing to clay goat in Paris is not a shame at all and from what I heard he was sick in Wimby, that's why he lost to meekly to Noserer. Losing in Olympics is no big deal as it wasn't a gold medal match and he already had a bronze.

USO, though, I felt that he had Mandy on the ropes after winning 3rd and 4th sets convincingly, then he proceeded to fall apart to the biggest slam choker on the tour I just can't explain it. If only he won the first set - Mandy would have collapsed in 3 just like at AO 2011.
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His only regrets should be losing the USO final to Murray - he was clearly the better player in non-windy conditions, might feel a bit hard done there - and losing an Olympic medal to Delpo - it was a very winnable match for him there. Apart from that, every result has either met or exceeded expectations - at least SF in every tournament bar Madrid, 1 Slam title, 2 finals, 1 semi... a great year by any standards. He only lost Wimbledon and RG to record holders at the respective Slams, hardly bad defeats.

Novak Djokovic is the best tennis player in the world today, that should be enough to prove it was a great year.
Heh, the rankings say otherwise.
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I would agree that losing USO must feel very disappointing for him - after all losing to clay goat in Paris is not a shame at all and from what I heard he was sick in Wimby, that's why he lost to meekly to Noserer. Losing in Olympics is no big deal as it wasn't a gold medal match and he already had a bronze.

USO, though, I felt that he had Mandy on the ropes after winning 3rd and 4th sets convincingly, then he proceeded to fall apart to the biggest slam choker on the tour I just can't explain it. If only he won the first set - Mandy would have collapsed in 3 just like at AO 2011.
It's not a big deal in terms of tennis curriculum/achievements, but it was a big deal for Novak. He was crying after the match; more than most, Novak is extremely patriotic and wanted to win a medal for Serbia. Losing the bronze medal match in Olympics is far worse than losing the final, as you take nothing. He could have done much better both in semis vs Murray and then vs Delpo; while losing to Murray on grass can be classed as normal, Delpo on grass was a very winnable match especially with JMDP coming from a grueling 4 hour+ marathon with Federer.

USO, he was extremely unlucky; he was the best player all tournament long and thoroughly outclassed Murray in the final when the wind died down. The wind made the first two sets a lottery and Murray eeked out both, and he ran out of gas in the fift. If there's one thing about this season that Nole can really great is not having taken the US Open.

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Heh, the rankings say otherwise.
Look at the race rankings, Nole is having the best year out of anyone and is almost a lock to finish #1. Besides, rankings are hardly a good indication anyway; it's a similar ranking system to the one the WTA employs which has created so many aberrations, and the very same system that has produced atrocities like Ferrer in the top 5 or Mugaco in the top 10.
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Not just the rankings. Nole has lost all his recent matches convincingly against the other 3 in the big 4. He's not the best player currently, not by a long shot. Proved he's too good for Berlocq though to his credit.
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Muzza was amazingly clutch in the fifth when you wouldn't expect him to. A good break in the first game, and then at *3-2, a game had he lost he would have lost the match no question, he slammed down the best service game of the tournament and slammed the padlock shut. He showed some big ass balls. Novak was spent after that and all he could do was ballbash as his energy had finally ran out.

It was a mature end to a bizarre match.
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Heh, the rankings say otherwise.

This year, he's the best and the rankings say the same.
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Not just the rankings. Nole has lost all his recent matches convincingly against the other 3 in the big 4. He's not the best player currently, not by a long shot. Proved he's too good for Berlocq though to his credit.
So what? While Nadal was playing golf, Murray too busy clubbing in Montreal and losing to Chardy in Cincy and Federer getting blown off the court by Berdych, Novak was getting to at least semis in every tournament he played and final in every tournament of the American hardcourt season. He's clearly the best player in the world today, and will deservedly end the year as #1.

Tennis is not played against 3 players, but against the field. Not to mention all those defeats against the other top 4 players were very tight matches.
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This year, he's the best and the rankings say the same.
Yes, but those are the race rankings, not the actual ones.
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It's not a big deal in terms of tennis curriculum/achievements, but it was a big deal for Novak. He was crying after the match; more than most, Novak is extremely patriotic and wanted to win a medal for Serbia. Losing the bronze medal match in Olympics is far worse than losing the final, as you take nothing. He could have done much better both in semis vs Murray and then vs Delpo; while losing to Murray on grass can be classed as normal, Delpo on grass was a very winnable match especially with JMDP coming from a grueling 4 hour+ marathon with Federer.

USO, he was extremely unlucky; he was the best player all tournament long and thoroughly outclassed Murray in the final when the wind died down. The wind made the first two sets a lottery and Murray eeked out both, and he ran out of gas in the fift. If there's one thing about this season that Nole can really great is not having taken the US Open.



Look at the race rankings, Nole is having the best year out of anyone and is almost a lock to finish #1. Besides, rankings are hardly a good indication anyway; it's a similar ranking system to the one the WTA employs which has created so many aberrations, and the very same system that has produced atrocities like Ferrer in the top 5 or Mugaco in the top 10.
Nice try there, yes Nole is the best in the race, as in the yearly rankings, but not in the actual ones, besides, you just contradicted yourself by saying that the main rankings don't count and the race ones do which are on the same system.
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Nice try there, yes Nole is the best in the race, as in the yearly rankings, but not in the actual ones, besides, you just contradicted yourself by saying that the main rankings don't count and the race ones do which are on the same system.
None of them is a solid indication of anything. This is why Novak is the best player in the world.

1 Slam title
2 finals
1 semi

2 Masters titles
3 Masters finals
1 Master semi

Olympics: 4th place


No one can boast similar credentials. The only tournament where he didn't reachs semis was Madrid (QF, lost to Tipsy). In fact, the only reason he doesn't have #1 mathematically secure by now is because the ranking system encourages vulturing and Nole is the anti-vulture, has only been to one non mandatory 500/250 event all year in Dubai (and now Beijing). He'd easily have secured #1 by now if he entered more non mandatory tournaments to collect easy points.
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