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Old 09-28-2012, 06:03 AM   #466
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Huge work.It really helps,thank you so much!
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Has anyone ever answered the question "Why was Isner the only player pulling out of Monte Carlo this year and getting a 0-point penalty ?" It's still beyond me. Gasquet for instance, also a commitment player, didn't get the penalty. Also, there were still 5 ATP 500 event weeks remaining to fulfill the commitment. Did he pull out too late, or did he say something bad to the organizers ? What ?
Gasquet withdrew with a right shoulder injury. Isner didn't give a valid reason, he just took the week off because he'd played a lot recently. Hence the difference.
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Gasquet withdrew with a right shoulder injury. Isner didn't give a valid reason, he just took the week off because he'd played a lot recently. Hence the difference.
How about Ferrero ?
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How about Ferrero ?
Is he a commitment player? He is old enough to be exempt, anyway.
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Is he a commitment player? He is old enough to be exempt, anyway.
Yeah, not commitment this year, and I see he pulled out due to a wrist injury.

So, there will always remain a manual component for such commitment players that withdraw from 500 events and Monte Carlo without a serious reason.
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if Ferrero had done the same as Isner, he would have had a penalty-zero as well : this penalty-zero is the same, whether committed or not, some non-committed players got it in the past. The penalty-zero for commitment players is only when it's certain after one ATP500 tournament that they won't play 4 ATP500 tournaments in the calendar year

Isner had no good reason at all to withdraw from Monte-Carlo : no injury that took him out for one month (he was playing Houston that week), didn't come on-site (he said he wanted to practise longer in the USA) to have an injury checked (Gasquet the Frenchman was practising in Monte-Carlo when he withdrew) or to make some promotion "hey I'm there !") : the way Isner announced his withdrawal I had guessed he would get a zeropointer. He just said that he wanted to rest

I don't remember Ferrero's case exactly but I guess he had an injury

But well to say the truth, apart from obvious cases like Isner's, usually players manage to avoid these kinds of zeropointers without any "obvious excuse" for us. For instance, we never kn ew how Djokovic avoided it for one tournament (Rotterdam ?) last year.

You can check the previous rankings thread : we had talked on that topic and precised the rules in very long extent, but practically for your work just don't give these kinds of zeropointers in advance.

Just do it when it's obvious that it was purely a "comfort withdrawal" AND that the player didn't come on-site when he announced it (Isner was in Houston and stayed).

Besides, some players sometimes get these kinds of zeropointers then manage to have them cancelled a few weeks later somehow, appealing to a kind of "ATP court" which seems to be very nice to players to say the truth. Also they can have them cancelled by somehow engaging to play one more ATP500 tournament than expected.
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Old 09-28-2012, 08:31 AM   #472
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Thanks duong and Litotes. It will be a manual choice to award this kind of penalty in advance, usually by asking other members what they think about it, and what were the player's excuse for dropping out. The automated system is now able to predict the 4 ATP500 enforce rule and place a 0-point penalty when a commitment player cannot commit to 4 ATP500 tournaments. It will be tested right next week.

Isner cannot cancel his penalty though, because he only has 1 other ATP 500 event played this year.
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Isner cannot cancel his penalty though, because he only has 1 other ATP 500 event played this year.
yes, I remember that we had calculated that he could not avoid a zeropointer this year anyway (considering that because of the Olympics he could not play Washington anyway) then it might be a good choice for him to get it now rather than later ... as it will be dropped earlier this way (as it's always dropped 52 weeks after it was given)
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Old 09-29-2012, 12:55 PM   #474
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Oh boy, we're back to just 3 errors, and the automated system is almost complete.
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Old 10-01-2012, 12:52 PM   #476
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I wonder if someone could answer my question..

Apparently, drop date for Bercy is supposed to take place on Nov. 12th, according to the players' breakdown, but how come ? As it would be after the World Tour Finals.. Do you expect the ATP to cling to that, in which case, it might be quite a nightmare to organize the ranking over 52 weeks with 8 mandatory M1000 and only 18 tournaments.. I am aware, though, they will just follow the Race as far as the qualifications for the WTF are concerned.

My view is that they will drop 2011 on the Monday the WTF starts, but coud you confirm ? Or have you got relevant info ? Thanks in advance..

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See post #451 - the points are dropping on Nov 5th.
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See post #451 - the points are dropping on Nov 5th.
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And what about Basel and Valencia ? as tournaments will be played a week earlier this year.
Will they drop the points earlier as well ?
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And what about Basel and Valencia ? as tournaments will be played a week earlier this year.
Will they drop the points earlier as well ?
No, they will drop at the same time with Paris, on Nov 5
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