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Old 09-12-2012, 11:13 PM   #106
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Matt try watching some clay court grind fests from the 80s on youtube.

Rallies went on forever. Then the server grabs balls and serves within 20 seconds.

nadal and Djokovic take more than 30 seconds in the first game of the match.
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Old 09-13-2012, 01:11 AM   #107
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Get rid off bathroom breaks as well. The players can piss in a jar underneath a towel. Bathroom breaks slow the game down too much. Same goes for the women. Equal prize money and all.

The whole serve thing is outdated. If they really want to make this game fan friendly they should get serious. Instead of serving the players should just underhand toss the ball into the service boxes to start the point.

Gets some new form of tennis balls as well. Maybe nerf ball or something.

Also on changovers lets have something interesting for the fans. Maybe have a couple of clowns on standby to throw buckets of confetti on the fans.

If we are going to have progressive tennis lets get serious about it...sheesh.
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Old 09-13-2012, 01:14 AM   #108
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Finally! Something is being done although it would be interesting to see if Dull gets affected.
Nadal can spend less time between points and play faster than anyone. Apparently you didn't watch him play before 2005. He takes more time between points because it lets him get into a better rhythm.
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Wait...you are comparing the ATP tennis of the 90s with the tennis today?

I tell you it's not that easy.
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I partially agree.
Some of those things aren't necessary. But my point is that today, when tennis is more and more physical and in the days of (mostly) similar surfaces, players need more time to recover between points than they did 20 years ago.
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Agreed, when u have milion serve bots and serve volley players its natural u do not get tired fast and u have time to serve faster. While now that courts are slower so are other parts of the game are slower too. Anyways awesome rule.
obviously the game itself is more physical, but the act of receiving the balls from the ball boys/girls has remained the same

get the balls, choose one, and serve. no need for the excessive toweling off or excessive ball bouncing


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Matt try watching some clay court grind fests from the 80s on youtube.

Rallies went on forever. Then the server grabs balls and serves within 20 seconds.

nadal and Djokovic take more than 30 seconds in the first game of the match.

exactly this. whether the point is 3 shots or 30 shots, doesn't matter. unless you're physically injured, strained or hurt i.e MTO, then there's no reason to take ages to serve
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Removing the let is the dumbest proposal EVER.
Agreed. Just imagine you get an unreachable netcord serve on match point against you.
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Getting rid of the net cord? What are they thinking?
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Old 09-13-2012, 02:29 AM   #112
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Looks like Uncle Toni forgot to do his monthly ass-kissing to everyone on the ATP Board
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Agreed. Just imagine you get an unreachable netcord serve on match point against you.
It happens on rally balls, so why not on serves too?
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Old 09-13-2012, 04:15 AM   #114
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Nadal can spend less time between points and play faster than anyone. Apparently you didn't watch him play before 2005. He takes more time between points because it lets him get into a better rhythm.
That's pretty much what Looner is suggesting: that it woyld affect his play not that he was physically incapable of taking half a minute between points. Oy vey.


ATP should address enforcement before mucking around with the rules, though nobody wants umpires to decide the match.
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They should fix the challenger prizemoney before the let thing.

As for the timewasting a whole lot of nothing will happen.
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They should fix the challenger prizemoney before the let thing.
problem is it's far beyond the power of this new committee

hence the little ambitious suggestions
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problem is it's far beyond the power of this new committee

hence the little ambitious suggestions
No, it's not beyond them that is a more pressing issue which the ATP are responsible for so attack that problem.
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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
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Old 09-13-2012, 09:24 AM   #118
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great news, specially the service let is out, i hope it was for the atp too, and forever, not only 3 months, will be better for the show
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No let service is the big news, I am not sure what changes about the time violation.
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Don't know what to think about abandoning the let, perhaps it will indeed improve the game - wait and see how it panns out in practice.

As for the time wasting-issue, the rule in itself never was the problem - it has always been the lack of enforcement of the rule that caused the real trouble.
If anything I hope something will be done about the fact that Expendable Character X, ranked #876, has a lot more chance to get penalized for time wasting than any of the Top Dogs.
I have yet to see it happening. It all sounds like an awful lot of window dressing to me.
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