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Nadal more than 15 matches ahead. 108 40.30%
Nadal 13-14 matches ahead. 25 9.33%
Nadal 11-12 matches ahead. 19 7.09%
Nadal 9-10 matches ahead. 20 7.46%
Nadal 7-8 matches ahead. 20 7.46%
Nadal 5-6 matches ahead. 19 7.09%
Nadal 3-4 matches ahead. 5 1.87%
Nadal 1-2 matches ahead. 1 0.37%
Equal 4 1.49%
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Old 08-23-2012, 03:32 AM   #1066
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I was just watching their match in IW this year. As you know, this is a high bouncing surface and a lot of people were expecting Fed to lose because of his known issue of struggling to hit a backhand against Rafa's topspin FH.

Like most one-handers, it's hard for Roger to hit the ball on shoulder height with his BH, but he is forced to do so because he usually insists on hitting the ball from the baseline. I was wondering, do you think that Federer should take a step or two back before hitting this backhand? The point of hitting the ball would then be much lower. Of course this is only relevant when Nadal's shots are deep.

Check out THIS video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...QRlgAbazU&NR=1

Notice the difference between this BH:
1:56

And those BHs:
9:25
9:33

The first one is kinda 'useless', but the other ones are very low and hit with a lot of pace.
If Federer can hit those backhands regulary, I think it would make his life easier. Note that against Djokovic those kinds of tactics are bound to hurt you because he takes the ball early and uses the opponent's pace, so standing outside the baseline is not recommended. But Nadal created pace himself, and after making this type of aggressive shot, he will usually return a high/short ball.

Anyway, your opinions?
The reason why he can really rip into the ones at 9:25 and 9:33 are because the balls are much shorter in the court.
The entire way Fed plays is based on him staying close to the baseline, taking time away from the opponent, and taking balls on the rise (or half-volleying) when necessary. He'll occasionally hit a weaker shot when the opponent hits very deep, but the backhand at 1:56 is not bad at all. In fact it's pretty damn good, considering how early he's taking it, and how much spin is on Nadal's shot.
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Topspintard is praising Federer?

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Olderer altered his BH over the years. It used to be a mostly flat drive that he used to go for wild winners and he used to hit amazing CC/DTL shots with it - but it led to a horrendous amount of UE's when pitted against Nadal's monstrous tospin lefty FH. These days, Olderer rarely hits BH winners, instead he has modified it into a more stable, grinding shot, designed to keep him in rallies and minimize errors. I actually applaud his ability to adapt to slower/higher bouncing courts and recognizing that his BH will never become a weapon on them - merely a solid shot that isn't a weakness.
You are probably right but I miss those backhand DTL winners he used to it in his prime.

Now he hits them very rarely...
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We've known for a long time TSD is a closet RF fan, so nothing new there .
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I was just watching their match in IW this year. As you know, this is a high bouncing surface and a lot of people were expecting Fed to lose because of his known issue of struggling to hit a backhand against Rafa's topspin FH.

Like most one-handers, it's hard for Roger to hit the ball on shoulder height with his BH, but he is forced to do so because he usually insists on hitting the ball from the baseline. I was wondering, do you think that Federer should take a step or two back before hitting this backhand? The point of hitting the ball would then be much lower. Of course this is only relevant when Nadal's shots are deep.
No. Federer's court position is one of the biggest advantages he has over anyone anywhere. This adjustment would mean he would be standing meters behind the baseline waiting for Nadal's TS FH to drop down to waist level, which would put him in a huge disadvantage. Nadal would easily pull Fed wide on the BH side and then finish DTL or come to the net.

What Federer should do on the coming matches IMO is "Rosol" his game a little bit, as in be much more aggressive on the return games even to the point of refusing to play long rallies on Nadal's service games. Often you see Federer sprint out into a lead in their matches on quick points and Nadal struggling to find his rythm, then have a 20-25 shot rally ending in a Federer UFE and suddenly the match turn around. I think Federer should take the mentality of attacking every 2nd serve, every short ball and coming to the net a lot.
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I understand Nadal picked up an injury, but it's now being reported that he'll be 'out' for a longer time than first expected. Understand that this is my take on it and my opinion. You can leave the post right now if you don't agree.

Now, over the last 6 months Federer has improved greatly. So much so that he's putting Novak in his place, again. His shots are so precise and devastating that the ball hits flush and on the line just about every time. He doesn't need muscle or power to hit the balls, he connects cleanly almost effortlessly. At this time we're supposed to believe that Nadal is injured. I'm sorry but I'm not buying it. Your drama was all too convenient, and I don't just consider it a coincidence

The fact of the matter is.. Nadal is a mere shell of his former self, deflated as an athlete, on both physical and mental levels. He knows of the danger that awaits him, and he want's nothing to do with it. Federer on the other hand has evolved. Federer flips a switch in his head, and goes in to bullet-time. With matrix type capabilities. Nadal can't compete with that..

I think he's at home watching and thinking to himself, 'I made the right decision'. His family, managers and friends called to tell him, THANK GOD YOU DIDN'T PLAY THE US.

Man up Nadal, I know you're reading this. Dont go into hiding. I give you respect for what you have accomplished thus far, but it's time to step up to the plate. Let's see you test yourself against the real Roger Federer. Roger Federer V2. If not just say you're scared of my boy Federer and that's that. I'll have more respect for you that way, than sitting there in hiding and avoiding the questions everyone has concerning it. Man up, or back down.

With all the dodging you do, I think the Matrix 4 director is looking for a new lead actor, and I think you pretty much got the role locked.
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federer is probably the only player he is not ducking from.
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Perhaps. Roger beat him at super slow IW. Makes you wonder.
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I understand Nadal picked up an injury, but it's now being reported that he'll be 'out' for a longer time than first expected. Understand that this is my take on it and my opinion. You can leave the post right now if you don't agree.

Now, over the last 6 months Federer has improved greatly. So much so that he's putting Novak in his place, again. His shots are so precise and devastating that the ball hits flush and on the line just about every time. He doesn't need muscle or power to hit the balls, he connects cleanly almost effortlessly. At this time we're supposed to believe that Nadal is injured. I'm sorry but I'm not buying it. Your drama was all too convenient, and I don't just consider it a coincidence

The fact of the matter is.. Nadal is a mere shell of his former self, deflated as an athlete, on both physical and mental levels. He knows of the danger that awaits him, and he want's nothing to do with it. Federer on the other hand has evolved. Federer flips a switch in his head, and goes in to bullet-time. With matrix type capabilities. Nadal can't compete with that..

I think he's at home watching and thinking to himself, 'I made the right decision'. His family, managers and friends called to tell him, THANK GOD YOU DIDN'T PLAY THE US.

Man up Nadal, I know you're reading this. Dont go into hiding. I give you respect for what you have accomplished thus far, but it's time to step up to the plate. Let's see you test yourself against the real Roger Federer. Roger Federer V2. If not just say you're scared of my boy Federer and that's that. I'll have more respect for you that way, than sitting there in hiding and avoiding the questions everyone has concerning it. Man up, or back down.

With all the dodging you do, I think the Matrix 4 director is looking for a new lead actor, and I think you pretty much got the role locked.

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I understand Nadal picked up an injury, but it's now being reported that he'll be 'out' for a longer time than first expected. Understand that this is my take on it and my opinion. You can leave the post right now if you don't agree.

Now, over the last 6 months Federer has improved greatly. So much so that he's putting Novak in his place, again. His shots are so precise and devastating that the ball hits flush and on the line just about every time. He doesn't need muscle or power to hit the balls, he connects cleanly almost effortlessly. At this time we're supposed to believe that Nadal is injured. I'm sorry but I'm not buying it. Your drama was all too convenient, and I don't just consider it a coincidence

The fact of the matter is.. Nadal is a mere shell of his former self, deflated as an athlete, on both physical and mental levels. He knows of the danger that awaits him, and he want's nothing to do with it. Federer on the other hand has evolved. Federer flips a switch in his head, and goes in to bullet-time. With matrix type capabilities. Nadal can't compete with that..

I think he's at home watching and thinking to himself, 'I made the right decision'. His family, managers and friends called to tell him, THANK GOD YOU DIDN'T PLAY THE US.

Man up Nadal, I know you're reading this. Dont go into hiding. I give you respect for what you have accomplished thus far, but it's time to step up to the plate. Let's see you test yourself against the real Roger Federer. Roger Federer V2. If not just say you're scared of my boy Federer and that's that. I'll have more respect for you that way, than sitting there in hiding and avoiding the questions everyone has concerning it. Man up, or back down.

With all the dodging you do, I think the Matrix 4 director is looking for a new lead actor, and I think you pretty much got the role locked.

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