[Har-Tru]

Originally Posted by rocketassist

Wiggins has been at his north west home with his feet up since the Olympics, so unless journalists go knocking on his door asking about Armstrong then that's probably why he's said nothing on it.

But regarding Spanish cyclists, his hero is Miguel Indurain, not Lance.

Wiggins has never said anything about doping in countries other than the Southern European ones. Ever. Not about Armstrong, not about Landis, not about his olympic teammate Millar, not about anybody. If he has, I'm yet to read about it.

The only thing he's commented is how in Britain there isn't doping because the culture doesn't tolerate it as much as in those other places.

[Purple Rainbow]

Originally Posted by Litotes

I don't suppose it will make any difference. The US already had a pretty lousy reputation, far below any Western European nation.

I have to say the way USADA has been acting for the past few years is a good example to the rest of the world. It will take ages before China or Jamaica or most other countries will have a similar organisation in place.
However, it's sad to note how many people are painting USADA as the bad guys.

[Action Jackson]

Originally Posted by Purple Rainbow

I have to say the way USADA has been acting for the past few years is a good example to the rest of the world. It will take ages before China or Jamaica or most other countries will have a similar organisation in place.
However, it's sad to note how many people are painting USADA as the bad guys.

USDA were shamed because they were so poor, but they are on the right track. I forgot Jamaicans didn't ban Steve Mullings for life either after massive improvements in his times after failing dope tests. Yohan Blake as well, I see you didn't comment on that either but no one has ever been banned in Jamaica.

[bavaria100]

Originally Posted by Har-Tru

Except the USA 4x100m relay I'd have to add. In London they broke a record that stood since 1985 by .55 seconds. I know I've brought it up before but it's just so comically suspicious...

That world record is a farce. Just look up Carmelita Jeter's times over the course of her career. She's as suspicious as Kellie White or that Irish swimmer from the 90's.

[Action Jackson]

Originally Posted by Har-Tru

Good article. I was amused by this part though:

Except the USA 4x100m relay I'd have to add. In London they broke a record that stood since 1985 by .55 seconds. I know I've brought it up before but it's just so comically suspicious...

Well it was me that was raised it initially since so many think the Jamaicans are doped up fiends & no one has ever been banned for PEDs in Jamaica or from there.

Yet this WR wasn't questioned at all.

[rocketassist]

Originally Posted by bavaria100

That world record is a farce. Just look up Carmelita Jeter's times over the course of her career. She's as suspicious as Kellie White or that Irish swimmer from the 90's.

They're from the US though so you can't question them but you can question Chinese or Irish swimmers or Caribbean sprinters.

[buddyholly]

Originally Posted by rocketassist

They're from the US though so you can't question them but you can question Chinese or Irish swimmers or Caribbean sprinters.

Well, since the Irish swimmer married a dealer, questions are hardly necessary.

[rocketassist]

Originally Posted by buddyholly

Well, since the Irish swimmer married a dealer, questions are hardly necessary.

Michelle Smith, I remember her as it was the first Olympics I watched properly. She married a guy called De Bruin IIRC, and he had taken stuff. Definitely suspicious but she beat the Americans and they were quick to scream DRUGS in the same way Ye Shiwen got the same treatment.

[Purple Rainbow]

Originally Posted by Action Jackson

Well it was me that was raised it initially since so many think the Jamaicans are doped up fiends & no one has ever been banned for PEDs in Jamaica or from there.

Yet this WR wasn't questioned at all.

I've read an article which stated that the American team breaking the East-German world record was a triumph for clean sports.. Well, obviously the DDR athletes were doped, but to assume that this American team is clean is just naive. Even an American team with known dopers Chryste Gaines, Kelly White and Marion Jones didn't come close to breaking the East-German record.

[Purple Rainbow]

This is a pretty sad list.

http://www.usada.org/sanctions/

Hopefully the anti-doping regulations will eventually lead to a (slightly) cleaner sport.

[GugaF1]

If fans of the sport don't claim for a change and serious anti-doping regulation across the board, it won't really change much. With this knowledge it is silly to go after only the guys that are caught when across major sports doping is wide spread because most sport have clear openings for it and in turn the incentive, that ends up having a culture installed.

[atennisfan]

Originally Posted by rocketassist

Michelle Smith, I remember her as it was the first Olympics I watched properly. She married a guy called De Bruin IIRC, and he had taken stuff. Definitely suspicious but she beat the Americans and they were quick to scream DRUGS in the same way Ye Shiwen got the same treatment.

Michelle Smith De Bruijn was BANNED for life by FINA for having tempered her urine samples with alcohol.

[Mjau!]

Michele Ferrari has a cute way of trying to convince us he has never doped athletes.

- "Intravenous EPO": the knowledge that intravenous administration would allow a more rapid elimination can be compared to reinventing the wheel. It is well known ever since the appearance of rhEPO (late 80s) that the half-life (elimination) of the drug administered intravenously is approximately 5 hours, compared to the 20-25 hours with subcutaneous administration: this information appears on the therapeutic indications booklet inside the package. Surely there was no need for Dr. Ferrari to advise on what everyone already knew;

http://webcache.googleusercontent.co...&client=safari

I feel so reassured now!

[Jverweij]

Originally Posted by Johnny Groove

Don't care.

He is still a hero. In my eyes, he's done more good than bad in his life.

talk about deluding yourself. How is this even an argument? If I save an airplane full of people, only to shoot 3 in the face, will I be a hero then? After all, I've saved 200 people, and killed 3, so that leaves me with a +197 doesn't it?

ffs

[Punky]

i think that An athlete who used drugs and was Tested positive should Deprive him any title he has won, get a big big fine, ban from the sport, Open a criminal investigation against him and that he will be exposed to Civil Claims b/c if i had paid good money to see a sport event that he won and it turn out to be one big fake, i would like my money back.

maybe if they will know they can lose all their money and end up in prison they will think again.