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View Poll Results: Who will win the 2012 year-end H2H?

Djokovic will take the lead 31 50.82%
Federer will claim his trophy 25 40.98%
They will end in a draw, for the first time 1 1.64%
I don't know. But this should be an official ATP award, it's amazing. 4 6.56%
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Old 08-23-2012, 04:16 PM   #601
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No asterisk.
Good argument.
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The only Noledal slam match that was remotely great was the third set of the 2011 USO final.

Wimbledon final was garbage, AO final was ugly and the 2010 USO final was OK but Novak really disappeared after set two.

The third set of RG in 2008 was quite an underrated one.
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Yup, it's more of a star the size of the Sun.

Bitter about the H2H?
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Exactely. Their retarded logic says that had Roger reached less finals on clay and hence not been the 2nd best player on clay from his generation it would have made hm the GOAT because the H2H would be much closer.
Exactly, I've been saying this since 2008. That would mean Federer would be a greater/better player had he won 10 less matches and reached 10 less finals, 5 less RG finals.

I hear logic committing suicide as we speak.
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Bitter about the H2H?
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Federer dodged just as many USO finals as Nadal

2010/2011 he really should've made them.

What could we have expected from a young Nadal? To reach them in 2005 and 2006? No way, he just became a force on clay, only starting to learn how te be great on grass. Fast hardcourt would have to take longer. 07,08 and 09 remain. 2007 is still very early in his career for him to reach a slam final on his worst surface, but losing to Ferrer is a bad sign. I'll count it, just. Only one I can really see as a failure is losing to Murray in 08, 09 had the injury comeback and the injury during the tournament.

Time to stop this madness about 'Nadal dodging Federer at the USO'. Federer did just as much, if not more of the dodging. But that's what you get when one guy is older and primes don't overlap. Get over it.
Why are you being so defensive though? I just said ' I agree that it is a bit unfair that Federer did not have a lot of chances to "even the score" so to speak when he was at his prime because Nadal wasn't showing up on USO finals until recently but it is what it is. ' - it is unfair exactly that their primes don't overlap, it's unfair that while Federer's peak form on clay coincided with Nadal's peak clay years (w/c doesn't ever seem to stop); Nadal's peak form in HC didn't coincide with Federer's. I did not say it as a minus to Nadal, it just is what it is because as you said, one guy is older. It's completely circumstantial but it was an unfortunate and unfair circumstance for Federer. I wasn't trying to start a competition of who dodged who because yes, I know Federer had chances to face Nadal for the last two years in USO but wasn't able to.
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Good argument.

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Old 08-23-2012, 04:23 PM   #608
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Reported for trolling.

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He probably should've since had Federer been less formidable/consistent on clay, it would have made the H-H argument moot along with the psychological baggage Federer had to endure on account of all those defeats. Apparently for some Nadal tards (or anti-Fed tards for that matter), the lack of a skewed H-H would have also given Federer's status as GOAT more legitimacy.
Yes, that cannot be overstressed - any time a rafatard pulls the H2H 'argument', they need to be reminded that Federer, by that account, would be 'far superior' and more goat-worthy LOL player - if he was Sampras-mediocre on clay.
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Laver? I agree with your general point, but Laver is a pretty major exception.
True. Laver can fit into both category . He was placed there because of his serve. While not "big" was varied. Like nadull it helped he was left handed.
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nid. nole = real goat.
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nid. nole = real goat.
Yup, real GOAT in falling behind 0-2 against mugs. Real GOAT.
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If some unknown talent came out of some random tiny country (no chance to win DC) and won 20 slams, no one would give a single shit if that player didn't have DC. The fact is, success in DC is largely determined by what country you come from or play for in the first place, which most players haven't had any control over.
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Yup, real GOAT in falling behind 0-2 against mugs. Real GOAT.
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Not when you're Federer. Ask Everko, Nadaltards and company .
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Davis Cup should never have really mattered in the GOAT discussion anyway since it's a team event. If you're talking about the GOAT singles player then you should mainly look at individual results.
If some unknown talent came out of some random tiny country (no chance to win DC) and won 20 slams, no one would give a single shit if that player didn't have DC. The fact is, success in DC is largely determined by what country you come from or play for in the first place, which most players haven't had any control over.
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nid. nole = real goat.
Real GOAT wouldn't let it go to five sets in the first place. There's a reason Federer's not on this list.
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