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View Poll Results: Who will win the 2012 year-end H2H?

Djokovic will take the lead 31 50.82%
Federer will claim his trophy 25 40.98%
They will end in a draw, for the first time 1 1.64%
I don't know. But this should be an official ATP award, it's amazing. 4 6.56%
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Old 08-20-2012, 01:44 AM   #496
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The old man with most likely take year end #1

Oh how I miss Nadal teaching some humility to Olderer. Too bad no one is able to step up to the challenge even though the geezer is almost ready to have grandkids
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Old 08-20-2012, 01:46 AM   #497
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The old man with most likely take year end #1

Oh how I miss Nadal teaching some humility to Olderer. Too bad no one is able to step up to the challenge even though the geezer is almost ready to have grandkids
Incredible isn't it. You've basically admitted indirectly that Federer is doing something incredible. The "geezer" beat Nadal in straights on slower hard courts not many months ago if I recall correctly too. I agree - simply incredible.
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Old 08-20-2012, 01:54 AM   #498
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[quote=Topspindoctor;12340402]The old man with most likely take year end #1 [/QUPTE]

Indeed a great achievement for someone who is at the age of 31 and playing during the prime of young players such as Murray, Nadal and Djokovic.

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The same could be said for virtually anyone at the top echelon of the game.
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Old 08-20-2012, 02:04 AM   #499
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The old man with most likely take year end #1

Oh how I miss Nadal teaching some humility to Olderer. Too bad no one is able to step up to the challenge even though the geezer is almost ready to have grandkids
Nothing nadal did to federer that federer didn't do to nadal.
except Maybe he has a positive H2H but this could be due to the fact that the bigger chunk of their matches was played on clay, which is indisputably the surface nadal OWNS.
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Djokovic has already shown that after a heavy early year schedule he doesn't have much left for the end of the year.
It happened last year.

No one is better than Fed even now playing for months on end at a high level, he's done that for years so it's nothing new.
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The old man with most likely take year end #1

Oh how I miss Nadal teaching some humility to Olderer. Too bad no one is able to step up to the challenge even though the geezer is almost ready to have grandkids
Stop overating current nadull. He hasn't won a title in more than 2 years. Fed beat him on slow HC.
He beat fed in AO but even if he didn't Novak would have beaten him.
People need to stop living in the past from April 08- Jan 09.
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Incredible isn't it. You've basically admitted indirectly that Federer is doing something incredible. The "geezer" beat Nadal in straights on slower hard courts not many months ago if I recall correctly too. I agree - simply incredible.
yeah but nadal wasn't healthy that day
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This is of course true. It's all about the majors. But judging by what happened in this season so far, do you think Djokovic is the favorite for the USO?
Well, Fed and Novak are the favorites. It cannot be Murray. He has won NO GS's ever and no MS titles this year. What ATP titles has he won? Dubai?
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fed will play shanghai.
muzza did not win dubai.
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People are forgetting Roger might play Shanghai. There's also no guarantee Djokovic will do all that well.
I am not forgetting it at all, I count on it. I am convinced Roger will play Shanghai and probably skip Paris.

I think Novak will play everything and will have more chances to get points. Therefore I think it's important for Fed to be ahead in the race after the USO to have a chance at year end #1.
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Well, Fed and Novak are the favorites. It cannot be Murray. He has won NO GS's ever and no MS titles this year. What ATP titles has he won? Dubai?
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I honestly don't think Roger is concerned about the YE No.1 ranking since he took the all-time record from Sampras. 300 weeks are practically a lock at this moment.
And considering Nole's smart scheduling throughout career I wouldn't expect him to stretch his body just to regain the number one spot- Federer will loose this position next year anyway(too many points to defend for a 32-years old) and Novak stands as the only possible condidate to occupy his place.
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I honestly don't think Roger is concerned about the YE No.1 ranking since he took the all-time record from Sampras. 300 weeks are practically a lock at this moment.
And considering Nole's smart scheduling throughout career I wouldn't expect him to stretch his body just to regain the number one spot- Federer will loose this position next year anyway(too many points to defend for a 32-years old) and Novak stands as the only possible condidate to occupy his place.
Federer currently only has 1000 points he needs to defend at 32, the rest he will defend at 31. Since 30 was not too old I don't see why 31 would have to be. Djokovic will also be a year older, and out of his official prime years of 22-25. While I don't see anyone else overtaking him because of it he could drop a notch in quality, making it easier for Federer to maintain the advantage.

And while the YE #1 might not be the highest priority, Federer is well aware of the fact that a sixth would tie the record. He likes records.
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[quote=Litotes;12340748]Federer currently only has 1000 points he needs to defend at 32, the rest he will defend at 31. Since 30 was not too old I don't see why 31 would have to be. Djokovic will also be a year older, and out of his official prime years of 22-25. While I don't see anyone else overtaking him because of it he could drop a notch in quality, making it easier for Federer to maintain the advantage.

And while the YE #1 might not be the highest priority, Federer is well aware of the fact that a sixth would tie the record. He likes records.[/QUOTE]

Indeed he does. Infact, his motto is: "a record a day will keep the ageing away".
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And while the YE #1 might not be the highest priority, Federer is well aware of the fact that a sixth would tie the record. He likes records.
Not even talking of records, finishing the year at number 1 at 31 years old in a very physical era and with such competitors as Djokovic, Nadal and Murray, even though they're not at their best (although in their prime years ), would be just incredible and would fully achieve the "back to youth" story at an old age which this year looks like for him.

And if you speak of records, no player has finished the year at number 1 after 30 years old since the creation of the ATP rankings (Agassi was number 1 at 33 years old but for 3 months only, and Connors did not finish the year at number 1 in 1982 : he won 2 slams but McEnroe got more points in other tournaments).

But it would be really meaningful only if he won the US Open (and anyway if Djokovic didn't win the US Open, because if ever Fed managed to achieve the number 1 whereas Djoko won the US Open, I don't think Fed would really feel as the number 1 and people would always contest a lot about that, which is not good for pleasure)

PS : thinking Fed is mostly drawn by records is wrong if you hear him and Paul Annacone correctly, he's mostly driven by the pleasure, the titles and the fans' love. He just says "it's nice" when people talk to him of a new record he's just achieved, it's just part of the pleasure but he's not obsessed about numbers.

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