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No. I think Federer's decline is a fact and he's not winning any major in the future. 38 17.35%
I kinda agree... He's in a great moment, but the other 2 guys are too good. No more slams for Feddy 45 20.55%
I totally agree. Fed's still playing great tennis and he'll probably win another major 104 47.49%
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Old 08-17-2012, 07:08 PM   #1156
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There is nothing factual about making excuses for every instance of Federer losing to opponents who have outplayed him several times even when they were young.
And now you're saying Fed competes the same way even when he's not 100%, which is a convenient way of saying he's so much better than everyone else he barely has to try.
You can say Nadal is in decline, but I don't see how that's relevant if he can still beat Federer in slams and win Roland Garros, both of which he did this year.



To repeat again, he was getting owned by a teenage clay courter on hardcourts. What does that say about all the hardcourt players of the time? Mugs. His limits were being unable to solve the challenges in playing Nadal even when he was at his best. Safin showed a level of play that was just as good as Federer back then but didn't seem to care much about tennis.

Weak,weak,weak field of one slam wonders, 35 year old Agassi, mugs showing up in slam finals to be destroyed, teenage Rafa still learning the game etc...

It's easier to look good against a weaker opponent yet prime Federer still got owned in the 2nd round at the 2004 Olympics by teenage Berdych. Olderer still chasing that elusive singles gold medal. lol

Get over yourselves, greatness is not just number of slams, it's how you won & against who. The merit of success isn't equal for everyone especially those dominating mugs during their best years.




Yes, Novak was young, and the fact that he could beat Federer at the AO 2008 in straights is an indication of his strong desire to succeed leading to improvement. There is nothing shameful about making a slam final at the USO and giving a good match to in form Federer.

Novak doesn't need me to look good, he's doing great fine winning 5 slams and 12 masters.
What excuses am I making. Nadull predominantly beats Feds when conditions favor him. He is a no show when conditions favor him.that a fact I already pointed that out.
He is declining because he isn't winning off clay is that so hard in previous years he was winning on all surfaced. In terms of title he did better in 05-07. Than 11/12. That I'd declining.
He beat fed in 09 AO. So he did it again in 2011. Doesn't say anything he didn't improve. He won 09 and lost 12.
He lost to fed at IW which he hasn't done since MIA 05. Outdoor HC.
Novak beat him in 08 AO.
So what Nalbandian beat in in 03 AO and USO.
Fact is Novak only competition since 2011 . When he became to dominate force is Declining Nadull and grand pa fed. And choker Murray. . He he.
Novak still couldn't beat the declining players on their favor surface .
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Old 08-17-2012, 07:24 PM   #1157
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What excuses am I making. Nadull predominantly beats Feds when conditions favor him. He is a no show when conditions favor him.that a fact I already pointed that out.

And Fed predominantly beats Nadal when the conditions favor him (which would be indoors I guess which is not as often used as clay or HC outdoors). What you say is true but it is meaningless and doesn't prove anything.
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The idiots trying to float the Federer weak era stuff remind me of creationists spouting "Evolution is only a theory" and talking about stuff they just don't understand, like trying to use the crocoduck.

I'm embarrassed for them.
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Why is this boring thread still going on?
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And Fed predominantly beats Nadal when the conditions favor him (which would be indoors I guess which is not as often used as clay or HC outdoors). What you say is true but it is meaningless and doesn't prove anything.
True . It doesn't prove anything . As it stands now nadull had the edge no one is denying that. However it doesn't
Diminish Feds achievement. It is a credit to nadull , especially for winning the close ones AO 09/Rome 06/Wimby 08. I have no problem admitting that because he is part of Feds ERA.
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To repeat again, he was getting owned by a teenage clay courter on hardcourts. What does that say about all the hardcourt players of the time?
Well, I think you can work this out yourself. In the year Nadal first beat Federer (2004), how many times did he reach the semi finals on hardcourts? Once. In Federer's peak years, how many times did Nadal make it past the QF of a hardcourt slam? None.

So, Nadal was beating Federer (albeit on slow surfaces), and yet was being stopped by these 'mugs'. The conclusion is that Nadal was winning, not because he was such a great hardcourt player (otherwise he would have done much better in this 'weak era'), but because he was a bad matchup for Federer in particular.

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Weak,weak,weak field of one slam wonders, 35 year old Agassi, mugs showing up in slam finals to be destroyed, teenage Rafa still learning the game etc...
Who cares? Lets all agree that Federer played mugs and wasn't tested at all.

The question is how would Fed have fared against tougher opposition? That question isn't answered by pointing out that Fed faced mugs.
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If winning so many matches, 17th GS and #1 is a kind of decline, sure why not, let it be. I want him to decline even more.
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To me, he's by far the most egotistical tennis player. He craves attention and admiration, which he tries so hard for with his various silly antics and ridiculous and uncalled for fist pumping and shirt ripping (or so he tries).

He doesn't possess that natural charisma that those before and alongside him have, so he has to work for it. Too bad for him that those with common sense, who aren't nationalistic Serbian's, can see right through him and that's why he never gets the crowd support unless he's playing at the Novak Djokovic Welcoming event in Belgrade
You're probably one of the most pathetic mugs in this forum and that's saying something. Get a clue boy!
Nole is the only one at the top with natural charisma. Probably you think it's Federer?
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You're probably one of the most pathetic mugs in this forum and that's saying something. Get a clue boy!
Nole is the only one at the top with natural charisma. Probably you think it's Federer?
And you are the only person who can be the judge of that, because...? No offence, but you are not exactly unbiased.

Besides even if he was the most charismatic guy in the entire world that doesn't mean he's not arrogant. He sure comes across that way.
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You're probably one of the most pathetic mugs in this forum and that's saying something. Get a clue boy!
Nole is the only one at the top with natural charisma. Probably you think it's Federer?
Sadly, it's difficult to take serious an opinion of a username named "Nole Fan" where his whole signature, avatar pic (Focus in the hat, awesomeness) and almost 90% of what she says is about Nole.

Hey! I didn't said it in a bad way, just it's a little obvious you'd say that and it's the same if you don't.
What I meant is, watching this from outside the board, it's difficult to read that as a neutral opinion.


BTW: I don't think anyone would take my opinion seriously in these topics.

BTW2: I miss the old Nole Fan . Djokovic might lose his humbleness and being a total prick, but that doesn't mean the fans should do it too.
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Sadly, it's difficult to take serious an opinion of a username named "Nole Fan" where his whole signature, avatar pic (Focus in the hat, awesomeness) and almost 90% of what she says is about Nole.

Hey! I didn't said it in a bad way, just it's a little obvious you'd say that and it's the same if you don't.
What I meant is, watching this from outside the board, it's difficult to read that as a neutral opinion.


BTW: I don't think anyone would take my opinion seriously in these topics.

BTW2: I miss the old Nole Fan . Djokovic might lose his humbleness and being a total prick, but that doesn't mean the fans should do it too.
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