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No. I think Federer's decline is a fact and he's not winning any major in the future. 38 17.35%
I kinda agree... He's in a great moment, but the other 2 guys are too good. No more slams for Feddy 45 20.55%
I totally agree. Fed's still playing great tennis and he'll probably win another major 104 47.49%
Hello. I'm Rod Laver and my records are intact. Suck it losers. 32 14.61%
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Old 08-16-2012, 10:12 PM   #1111
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Indeed, but in case of Fed and Nadal, if they play 27 times from now on H2H would be same if not even worse. Clearly Nadal knows how to deal with Federer.
Finally some sense from a nole troll. Nadull knows how to deal with fed. Play him on clay and slow high bouncing HC an avoid federer like the plague for the second half of the year the low bouncing faster tour. Especially when not 100%.
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Old 08-16-2012, 10:15 PM   #1112
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It's nice to say all that but Novak didn't take away number 1 ranking away from Nadal because of winning an ATP 500.

Fed is always exhausted when he loses. If he's so good he wouldn't have needed to play 58 games to win a best of 3 on grass against Del Potro for which grass is his worst surface.
The ranking are based on a 12 month period - not only dependent on a single ATP 500 tourney.

Likewise, if Nole is so good he wouldn't have LOST a best of 3 (in straight sets) on grass to Del Potro for whom grass is his worst surface.

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Drop to #4? Someone is butt hurt.
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If everyone rotated answering to his/her posts, I wonder how long Greatness (lol) would continue to troll in here.
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Greatness reaching GOAT level of trollness fast. such a prodigy!
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The weak era argument is backed 1000% by stats.
Maybe in a world where 1000% is considered a proper statistical value.

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It's nice to say all that but Novak didn't take away number 1 ranking away from Nadal because of winning an ATP 500.
Fed is always exhausted when he loses. If he's so good he wouldn't have needed to play 58 games to win a best of 3 on grass against Del Potro for which grass is his worst surface.


as far as i can remember, fed became #1 again by beating djokovic in the semifinal and winning wimbledon against murray...

and at least fed is good enough to beat del potro on grass...
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A word of advice to those talking badly about other players.

Talking Federer down does not make Djokovic a great player and vice versa.

Some of you people here remind me of religious zealouts who criticize evolution, thinking that that will prove them right.. It doesn't make any sense!

Novak is a great player, Roger is a great player, Rafa is a great player, end of story.
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What many variables? Far more skilled players of today would destroy the weaker field Federer faced. You don't need a million variables to realize that Bagdhatis/Roddick/Gonzalez/etc at their best are nowhere near as good as Novak/Rafa/Murray.
Let's see if we can get your creaking synapses moving with this: the point is not whether Novak/Rafa/Murray are better than Baghdatis/Roddick/Gonzalez. Of course they are. The question is whether they are better than Federer, & to determine that, we have to ask whether Bag/Rod/Gonzo are any worse than the people Novak/Rafa/Murray have beaten in winning slams - i.e., the Soderlings, Berdychs, & Tsongas of this world. It is abundantly obvious that they are not.
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Old 08-17-2012, 11:44 AM   #1120
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Djokovic is not in the same league as nadal and Roger.

Roger and nadal are in the top 10 all time greats. Djokovic is one or two tiers below.

djokovic had a great 2011. Be happy for that because as we've seen so far in 2012 it won't be happening again.
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Old 08-17-2012, 11:51 AM   #1121
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Djokovic is not in the same league as nadal and Roger.

Roger and nadal are in the top 10 all time greats. Djokovic is one or two tiers below.

djokovic had a great 2011. Be happy for that because as we've seen so far in 2012 it won't be happening again.
You're so arrogant, truth will come to bite you in the ass.
Things change very quickly in tennis and Novak has been in almost every final this year, not what I would call a bad season. he already won AO, Miami and Toronto and could win USO very possibly, which would make his year better than Roger's or Rafa's. And he would still end nº1. So be careful what you wish for.
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You're so arrogant


What did I say that was arrogant. You're a bit touchy.

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Things change very quickly in tennis and Novak has been in almost every final this year, not what I would call a bad season. he already won AO, Miami and Toronto and could win USO very possibly, which would make his year better than Roger's or Rafa's.
And did I say the opposite?!

I said he won't have another season like 2011, 3 slams and 5 masters. Of course he's having a good season, as Roger has said any season where you win a slam is a good season.

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So be careful what you wish for.
I really can't see what you mean with this....

I merely stated 2 things which are true in my eyes, and the majority of people will agree with me I believe.

#1 Roger and nadal are in another league. Djokovic is below them.
#2 Djokovic won't have another season like 2011.

I didn't wish for anything nor did I say djokovic's season has been bad so far.

If you want to implicate with someone at least make a valid argument.
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As expected , u didn't understand what I was saying. In a unilateral battle nadull is greater than fed on Slow courts if they meet . My point is apart from the USO 2010 nadull is pretty irrelevant this time of the year.
The meetings favor nadull predominantly. Nadull had treatment to the knee before MC but he chose to play the clay season. Was successful. He had treatment after Wimby and chose to sit out. Why. Because he isn't that successful at this period of the year for a number of reason.
Even uncle toni said the doctor told nadull to take a rest to regenerate the tendons n ligaments but he still chose to play the entire clay season. In 2009 he missed Wimby. However played the FO. Seems anytime he is destroyed by a flat hitter exposing his weakness he takes a break.
As for RG 08. Fed was declining even before he meet nadull. He had food poisoning any way taken to the hospital never recovered. Lost to his pigeons Roddick , radek Novak at the time.
So he was in a weaken state with no confidence and he tried something different under Jose higueras . It didn't work. Nadull level was high that year his absolute prime that year.
Fed didn't play too much baseline points that match.
Thus leading to that shoreline.
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Fed is always declining even though in his prime he lost to mugs.
His achievements are severely tarnished by his constant failures against Rafa in the slams, which clearly proves that one man alone can easily dominate a weak field since Rafa dominated Federer who was collecting slams easily against mugs in the previous years.


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The ranking are based on a 12 month period - not only dependent on a single ATP 500 tourney.

Likewise, if Nole is so good he wouldn't have LOST a best of 3 (in straight sets) on grass to Del Potro for whom grass is his worst surface.
12 month period or not, had Federer not played a measly 500 ATP in Rotterdam, he wouldn't be #1 regardless of having won Wimbledon.
Basically, a slam didn't make the difference to claim him the #1, it was a mug tournament win that gave him the #1 ranking.
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as far as i can remember, fed became #1 again by beating djokovic in the semifinal and winning wimbledon against murray...

and at least fed is good enough to beat del potro on grass...
But he isn't good enough to beat 34 year old Haas on grass.


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Let's see if we can get your creaking synapses moving with this: the point is not whether Novak/Rafa/Murray are better than Baghdatis/Roddick/Gonzalez. Of course they are. The question is whether they are better than Federer, & to determine that, we have to ask whether Bag/Rod/Gonzo are any worse than the people Novak/Rafa/Murray have beaten in winning slams - i.e., the Soderlings, Berdychs, & Tsongas of this world. It is abundantly obvious that they are not.
Reading comprehension isn't your forte. The point is not whether or not Novak/Rafa/Murray are better than Federer because that's not what I argued: the merit of winning slams against mugs is what I have been arguing. It is abundantly obvious that the current Rafa/Murray/Novak are far better than the opposition Federer faced in 2003-2006 which is why I said collecting so many slams so quickly doesn't make Federer as impressive as some think. It is still a difficult task to maintain a high level but had he been absent from that time and prime Novak/Rafa/Murray were there, either one of them would have collected several slams.


Also, if you think the previous field of Bag/Rod/Gonzo are no worse than the current players Novak/Murray/Rafa are beating then obviously what I have been saying is true because Novak/Murray/Rafa have been beating the Tsonga/Berdych/Soderling on the way to making slam fnals or winning slams.

Whether or not Nole/Rafa are better than Federer can be argued eventually because they are both over 5 years younger than Federer and have a long way to go in their careers; what can't be argued is the fact that they both beat Federer several times on their way to winning slams.
So if people want to argue that winning a slam in a time when Novak/Rafa/Federer/Murray are playing at a high level is easier than when Roddick/Gonzo/Bag/Hewitt were playing at their best then all I can do is laugh at the sheer stupidity of that notion.

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