[dencod16]

Originally Posted by jimboy7

Ok, the entry list is the important thing. And you have to enter or not 6 weeks before the start (if you have the choice).
Normally you'll be automatically entered if you are in the top 30, arent'you?

I don't think so. the top 30 commitment only has an advantage with 500 events specially for the latter part of the year because if you haven't got 4 500 events commitment and you enter a 500 event to reach the required number of 500 events you will get in even if you are ranked low. i don't think you can back off 1000 events and chose to not be in it if you are ranked high-enough to be in the original entry list, only alternates can choose not to play or withdraw.

[Slasher1985]

Updated with partial results of August 14th.

[dencod16]

As of August 14 Results

[PitsOfTheWorld]

How far could Rafa fall if he doesn't play until WTF or for the rest of the year?

[Johnny Groove]

Out of the top 8 or so. Maybe seed around 8-12 for AO.

[guichard]

Originally Posted by PitsOfTheWorld

How far could Rafa fall if he doesn't play until WTF or for the rest of the year?

95 % he will stay in top 4, 99.9% stays in top 5 . Unless a player ranked below played extremely well. Ferrer will need about 2840 points until the end of the year to finish ahead of him, Del Potro about 3840, Beldrych/Tsonga/Tipsaveric little more 4000 ?


Take a look at the race ranking (points earned in 2012)http://www.atpworldtour.com/Rankings/YTD-Singles.aspx

[sunsfuns]

Rafa has 6840 race points. In 2011 year end rankings that would have given him #4 position (after excluding himself). So #4 is most likely, #5 possible if someone other than Roger, Nole or Andy catch fire.

[duong]

A few infos

To get the number 1 next monday, Djokovic needs :

- to play the final if Fed loses to Bogomolov or Tomic

- to win the tournament if Fed loses in QF or SF

- if Fed reaches the final, Djokovic can't be number 1 next monday

As someone said, the ATP have showed the points from the Olympics together with the ATP500 points in the "ranking breakdown".

Now I wonder if they will also be included in the commitment for 4 ATP500 tournaments (if it is, Federer could count his points from Doha even if doesn't play Tokyo/Beijing for instance). It would be strange to me because they don't need an incentive to have players play the Olympics

Originally Posted by jimboy7

Ok, the entry list is the important thing. And you have to enter or not 6 weeks before the start (if you have the choice).
Normally you'll be automatically entered if you are in the top 30, arent'you?

in masters 1000 and grand slams tournaments all of the players are in automatically if they are ranked highly enough (which depends on the size of the draw and the number of players who use their protected ranking before they had got injured)

[Slasher1985]

Originally Posted by duong

Now I wonder if they will also be included in the commitment for 4 ATP500 tournaments (if it is, Federer could count his points from Doha even if doesn't play Tokyo/Beijing for instance). It would be strange to me because they don't need an incentive to have players play the Olympics

The Olympics are not part of the commitment. One can demonstrate this by seeing that Roddick received a 0-point penalty for Washington, even if he played the Olympics the same week. That is because, Roddick needed all 3 remaining ATP 500 tournaments to fulfill his commitment. Monte Carlo is part of the commitment.

[duong]

Originally Posted by Slasher1985

The Olympics are not part of the commitment. One can demonstrate this by seeing that Roddick received a 0-point penalty for Washington, even if he played the Olympics the same week. That is because, Roddick needed all 3 remaining ATP 500 tournaments to fulfill his commitment. Monte Carlo is part of the commitment.

yes you're right : Roddick's case proves it

putting the Olympics result togther with the ATP500 results in the rankings breakdown is just a way to display the results (just as Monte-Carlo is displayed together with the mandatory Masters 1000 tournaments )

[Slasher1985]

Updated with the results of August 15th.

And yes, Duong, just like MC is displayed with the Masters because of the tournament's point limit. Monte Carlo is a Masters ATP 1000, even if it's part of the 500 commitment. The Olympics is somewhere between 500 and 1000 point-wise, but it's not a Masters. Davis Cup is a 500 because the maximum number of points a player can achieve all year long in the DC is 625.

[dencod16]

Updates with August 16 Results

[E-r-i-c]

Chardy seeded at US Open.

[Slasher1985]

Updated with the results of August 16th.

Dencod, there are some minor inconsistencies with your rankings. Don't Andreev, Bautista-Agut and Hajek lose points this week ?

[yesyesok]

Yo guys, hope you don't mind me posting this here, it's not worth a new thread and this seem like the thread for ranking discussion.

I was thinking about the current number one situation, how Federer currently only holds 1 GS while Djkocovic holds 2.

I had a look through the rankings from the year 2000 onwards and noticed just how rare this is.

With the exception of three small instances the world number one (since Jan 2000) has held either the most grand slam titles out of any player, or the equal most.

The three exceptions are:

Federer @ no1. Post Wimbledon 08-mid August 08. (Federer held US Open, Nadal held Wimby/French)

Nadal @ no1. French Open 10- Wimbledon 10 (Federer held Wimby and Aus, Nadal only the French)

Federer @ no1. Wimbledon 12-now (Federer holds Wimby, Djokovic holds Aus and US).

I think this backs up the efficiency of the ranking system, and means that it's very rare for number one not to be the true number one.

Even in the 3 exception cases it was just a transition period. In the case of (1) Nadal took number one not long after becoming "slam dominant", and in the case of (2) Nadal changed the GS stats by winning Wimby four weeks after taking number 1, so both of these were just transition peroids.

This current one will probably be the same, with either Djokovic not retaining the US Open and then Federer will be clear number one until at least WTF, or Djokovic will defend and then inevitabley take number one back not long after, if not already.