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08-14-2012, 01:47 PM
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Re: Djokovic's junior coach troubled by his slump
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That first part is not even related to what you are responding, so you're just trying to divert the discussion to make Nole look good. Was that part related to the point I made , yes or no? Do you have proof it was related to the point I made, yes or no?
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I responded to your response to my question " When did Sampras have season like Djokovic in 2011?". As your response was not answer to my question I repeted the question. So, what is your answer?
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As far as Nole surpassing Sampras, we'll see if Nole can get 14 Slam titles. We'll see. We might have to wait an eternity for it to never happen though.
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When Federer had 9 slams, many experts at that time said he is greater player than Sampras. GOAT discussion is not just about numbers. |
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08-14-2012, 01:52 PM
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Re: Djokovic's junior coach troubled by his slump
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I responded to your response to my question
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When Federer had 9 slams, many experts at that time said he is greater player than Sampras. GOAT discussion is not just about numbers.
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Good one as well. So Donald Young is back in GOAT discussion  |
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08-14-2012, 01:53 PM
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Re: Djokovic's junior coach troubled by his slump
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When Federer had 9 slams, many experts at that time said he is greater player than Sampras. GOAT discussion is not just about numbers.
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That was because it was not unrealistic to expect Federer to surpass Sampras later, which he later did. Also, when he won his 9th slam he was playing a season in which he went 92-5 and I believe reached the final of every tournament except one. Besides, 9 is a lot closer to 14 than 5 is to 17. Numbers aren't all of it but they can't be ignored beyond common sense. |
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08-14-2012, 02:56 PM
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Re: Djokovic's junior coach troubled by his slump
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I responded to your response to my question "When did Sampras have season like Djokovic in 2011?". As your response was not answer to my question I repeted the question. So, what is your answer?
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I clarified an opinion of yours that you try to pass as a fact. 
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When Federer had 9 slams, many experts at that time said he is greater player than Sampras. GOAT discussion is not just about numbers.
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At the time, the GOAT was at 14, Fed was at 9, so a 5 slam difference with a realistic chance at getting there. To transpose this, Nole would have to be at 12 since the GOAT is now at 17. Is Nole at 12 GS titles at the moment? Does he have a chance at catching Federer? No and no.
Again that is merely common sense. Have you heard about it? |
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08-14-2012, 03:01 PM
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Re: Djokovic's junior coach troubled by his slump
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When Federer had 9 slams, many experts at that time said he is greater player than Sampras. GOAT discussion is not just about numbers.
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I think the point was that Federer was a better overall player than Sampras, deduced from Fed dominating the world much more than Sampras ever did. Greatness OTOH is quite strictly tied with career accomplishments.
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08-14-2012, 03:02 PM
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Re: Djokovic's junior coach troubled by his slump
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I think the point was that Federer was a better overall player than Sampras, deduced from Fed dominating the world much more than Sampras ever did. Greatness OTOH is quite strictly tied with career accomplishments.
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That is an opinion... |
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08-14-2012, 05:30 PM
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Re: Djokovic's junior coach troubled by his slump
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That is an opinion... |
Obviously, And those who had that opinion said things like that. Their opinion was probably based on Federer's utter dominance of the tour for 3 years which made Sampras' stats look second-rate.
In general though, when commentators say "we might be looking at the greatest player bla bla", they don't mean that if that player retired tomorrow he would be the greatest, but that after his career he might be in that position.
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08-14-2012, 06:26 PM
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Re: Djokovic's junior coach troubled by his slump
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Obviously, And those who had that opinion said things like that. Their opinion was probably based on Federer's utter dominance of the tour for 3 years which made Sampras' stats look second-rate.
In general though, when commentators say "we might be looking at the greatest player bla bla", they don't mean that if that player retired tomorrow he would be the greatest, but that after his career he might be in that position.
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In understand that because it is common sense. As we can clearly see, someone else lacks the ability to use it. |
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08-15-2012, 02:31 PM
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Re: Djokovic's junior coach troubled by his slump
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I clarified an opinion of yours that you try to pass as a fact. |
Why do you refuse to answer my question? Is it because you know that Djokovic's 2011 season is better than Sampras's 1994 but do not want to admit it?
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At the time, the GOAT was at 14, Fed was at 9, so a 5 slam difference with a realistic chance at getting there. To transpose this, Nole would have to be at 12 since the GOAT is now at 17. Is Nole at 12 GS titles at the moment? Does he have a chance at catching Federer? No and no.
Again that is merely common sense. Have you heard about it?
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That was because it was not unrealistic to expect Federer to surpass Sampras later, which he later did. Also, when he won his 9th slam he was playing a season in which he went 92-5 and I believe reached the final of every tournament except one. Besides, 9 is a lot closer to 14 than 5 is to 17. Numbers aren't all of it but they can't be ignored beyond common sense.
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I think the point was that Federer was a better overall player than Sampras, deduced from Fed dominating the world much more than Sampras ever did. Greatness OTOH is quite strictly tied with career accomplishments.
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A fact is a statement that can be proven true or false. An opinion is an expression of a person’s feelings that cannot be proven. The GOAT discussion is matter of opinion because it is not just about numbers but it includes debate about level of competition and nobody can prove is level of competition now higher than in 2006 or 1986 or 1966...whenever. |
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08-15-2012, 02:45 PM
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Re: Djokovic's junior coach troubled by his slump
So in your opinion Djokovic is GOAT or very close or...?
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08-15-2012, 03:06 PM
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Re: Djokovic's junior coach troubled by his slump
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Why do you refuse to answer my question? Is it because you know that Djokovic's 2011 season is better than Sampras's 1994 but do not want to admit it?
A fact is a statement that can be proven true or false. An opinion is an expression of a person’s feelings that cannot be proven. The GOAT discussion is matter of opinion because it is not just about numbers but it includes debate about level of competition and nobody can prove is level of competition now higher than in 2006 or 1986 or 1966...whenever.
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I'm going to jump in....
In my opinion defining the GOAT is impossible because of subjective factors that depend on a person's opinion. You mentioned, for example, level of competition. Some fed haters say he played in a weak era becuase they want to bring down his achievements.
I think the weak era theory is crap and isn't valid.
So if you are trying to define the GOAT you have to look at factors that aren't subjective or depend on the perons view. The answer is obejective data, such as #titles, #slams, #weeks at #1, variety in the titles won,....
These are numbers we can work with because no one can say Roger didn't win 17 slams,....
So if you say that in your opinion it's not only about numbers it will be impossible to reach a consensus as to who is the GOAT.
In that case each person has their GOAT.....
It's better, and the only option really, to look at numbers.
Roger leads in the numbers, so if there is such a thing as the GOAT it is Roger Federer. |
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08-15-2012, 03:48 PM
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Re: Djokovic's junior coach troubled by his slump
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Could it be his parents? I am just saying because Rafa struggled a bit when his parents had issues
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Relationship between his parents(father's infidelities with other Serbian girls) and also attitude of both of his parents towards his girlfriend as they are not to fond of her,find her a bit of gold digger and are trying to prevent further bonding between them...don't know exactly why as she was with him since he was 17 and with no money! |
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08-15-2012, 05:07 PM
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Re: Djokovic's junior coach troubled by his slump
Answer already provided.
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Why do you refuse to answer my question? Is it because you know that Djokovic's 2011 season is better than Sampras's 1994 but do not want to admit it?
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Djokovic's 2011 was not a great whole season since he crashed in the fall, so he was basically on a hot streak for a few months.
Sampras has multiple slams seasons 4 times and won a slam in 8 consecutive seasons. What about Nole?
Nole is not in the same league as Sampras. Again, this is common sense.
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08-15-2012, 05:58 PM
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Re: Djokovic's junior coach troubled by his slump
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Relationship between his parents(father's infidelities with other Serbian girls) and also attitude of both of his parents towards his girlfriend as they are not to fond of her,find her a bit of gold digger and are trying to prevent further bonding between them...don't know exactly why as she was with him since he was 17 and with no money!
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Hasn't she been behind his miracle diet ??seems a sweetie.
The mum's a witch so 
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08-15-2012, 07:06 PM
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Re: Djokovic's junior coach troubled by his slump
not going to read the thread
"slump"
hahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahh ahahahahaha
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