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Old 08-05-2012, 06:44 PM   #106
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I personally think that Potro might be the next big thing to hit. he is younger then Nole and Nadal, mentally more hungry and has the game and mind to dominate. would not be surprised he he takes over in the coming years.
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Old 08-05-2012, 06:45 PM   #107
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It had been more convincing if he actually won (and the final had been much better) but anyone with 2 working eyes could see that Del Potro ruled the baseline game. His power was too much even for Fed to handle.

The issue with Del Potro is his UEs and uneven serving. Just like Berdych and pre-mono Soderling, Del Potro has always had the game to win slams and defeat any player.

Del Potro also had the match vs Federer on his racket but he couldn't clutch it up and take the match. Some luck and some more confidence is all Del Potro needs to take another major. He got the weapons and he got the skills.

His injury shouldn't be blamed anymore. That's in the past now. He needs a Federer-like work ethic and commitment to practice and he will root out those UEs from his game and he could even be a future nr1.
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Old 08-05-2012, 06:53 PM   #108
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It had been more convincing if he actually won (and the final had been much better) but anyone with 2 working eyes could see that Del Potro ruled the baseline game. His power was too much even for Fed to handle.

The issue with Del Potro is his UEs and uneven serving. Just like Berdych and pre-mono Soderling, Del Potro has always had the game to win slams and defeat any player.

Del Potro also had the match vs Federer on his racket but he couldn't clutch it up and take the match. Some luck and some more confidence is all Del Potro needs to take another major. He got the weapons and he got the skills.

His injury shouldn't be blamed anymore. That's in the past now. He needs a Federer-like work ethic and commitment to practice and he will root out those UEs from his game and he could even be a future nr1.
I disagree completely here. Del Potro's problem has never been UEs. Unlike Berdych and Soderling, he plays high % big hitting, hitting hard down the middle until getting a short ball to put away. This is enough to dominate low ranked players easily (unlike Berdych and Soderling who are often victim to shock losses), but his problem against the top players has often been not taking enough risks, playing it too safe. He was far more aggressive this week, more than he had ever been since his comeback. UEs have never been a problem. His serve, yes, it's poor for a big man and needs to keep improving.

His injury isn't blamed for his current losses, but for stunting his development; I'm afraid he can never get back the years he lost, although he's still young and can have a great career regardless.
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In tennis, a wrist surgery is pretty nasty, as you need it for pretty much every stroke. Still, it'd probably be more accurate to claim that it was an injury that put his career at the highest level at risk.

Even if his career wasn't as risk, his career at the top level surely was.
Even so, in tennis, wrist surgeries which fully heal (or heal as far as any surgery allows), are generally less severe because wrists aren't as dependant in flexibility and movement as a shoulder, knee and hip. Contrary to what you seemingly believe, wrists aren't under as much strain as any other joint. All lower body joints are weight bearing and are dependant on movement, whereas the wrist is to stay locked the vast majority of the time. The most injury prone and serious upper body joint is the shoulder. Once you injure a shoulder as a tennis player, it's only going to be a matter of time before you're back in the operating theater. That's because the most range of movement occurs in the shoulder thus making it more prone to injury, which is a general rule for any joint.

Yes, it was a serious injury, but to constantly hear of this "career threatening injury" is nothing but hyperbole. Tennis players rarely suffer career threatening injuries and many have suffered wrist injuries for them to come back and never reoccur and then there's those like Canas who've had 4 wrist surgeries and have been able to play in between without problems.
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I disagree completely here. Del Potro's problem has never been UEs. Unlike Berdych and Soderling, he plays high % big hitting, hitting hard down the middle until getting a short ball to put away. This is enough to dominate low ranked players easily (unlike Berdych and Soderling who are often victim to shock losses), but his problem against the top players has often been not taking enough risks, playing it too safe. He was far more aggressive this week, more than he had ever been since his comeback. UEs have never been a problem. His serve, yes, it's poor for a big man and needs to keep improving.

His injury isn't blamed for his current losses, but for stunting his development; I'm afraid he can never get back the years he lost, although he's still young and can have a great career regardless.
It was interesting and surprising for me to see Del Potro return in surprisingly below average physical condition. There was no reason why he couldn't whip himself into incredible physical shape during his time off and come back physically stronger, like Marat Safin did for example.
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More than his serve, I'd rather have him improve his ROS
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I personally think that Potro might be the next big thing to hit. he is younger then Nole and Nadal, mentally more hungry and has the game and mind to dominate. would not be surprised he he takes over in the coming years.
We've heard this so many times. I dearly like DP but not sure it's gonna happen. I just said in the other thread, do not over hype Murray and I'm saying it again just with another name ... do not over hype DP
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I personally think that Potro might be the next big thing to hit. he is younger then Nole and Nadal, mentally more hungry and has the game and mind to dominate. would not be surprised he he takes over in the coming years.
I do hope so. His tennis is truly spectacular!
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Even so, in tennis, wrist surgeries which fully heal (or heal as far as any surgery allows), are generally less severe because wrists aren't as dependant in flexibility and movement as a shoulder, knee and hip. Contrary to what you seemingly believe, wrists aren't under as much strain as any other joint. All lower body joints are weight bearing and are dependant on movement, whereas the wrist is to stay locked the vast majority of the time. The most injury prone and serious upper body joint is the shoulder. Once you injure a shoulder as a tennis player, it's only going to be a matter of time before you're back in the operating theater. That's because the most range of movement occurs in the shoulder thus making it more prone to injury, which is a general rule for any joint.

Yes, it was a serious injury, but to constantly hear of this "career threatening injury" is nothing but hyperbole. Tennis players rarely suffer career threatening injuries and many have suffered wrist injuries for them to come back and never reoccur and then there's those like Canas who've had 4 wrist surgeries and have been able to play in between without problems.
Yeah, maybe it's a bit hyperbolic, but whenever a player goes through surgery there's always a chance he might never fully recover, so there was a risk. More than the injury itself, the fact that he basically lost two years of his career (one off the tour, the tour trying to come back) has hurt him a lot, at his age those were important development years, not to mention his rivals at the top of the game kept working on their game while he was sidelined.

I agree that it was not the worst injury ever or anything, but it definitely derailed his progress and put his career at the highest level at least at risk. But he seems to be bouncing back, that's what's important.


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More than his serve, I'd rather have him improve his ROS
His ROS is alright. The only player whose serve he always seems unable to return properly is Federer, he just can't get a rid of his serve. With none of his younger opponents being a great server, improving his ROS isn't that prioritary, he can return Nole and Nadal's serve just fine.
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Old 08-05-2012, 11:10 PM   #115
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More than his serve, I'd rather have him improve his ROS
Height doesn't basically guarantee great returning. It does guarantee at least effective serving though, which he isn't doing nearly enough. His serve is worse than Federer's for God's sake.


This doesn't mean that Del Potro isn't overrated. The fact that prior to these olympics, some people considered him a 4th contender for the USO shows how overrated this guy is.

He isn't some sort of ubertalented guy. Both Berdych and Tsonga have more talent thhan him. What he does have is a game suited to modern tennis. That is more important than talent.

He is a fluke unless he at least makes another slam final.

The reason people called him a fluke is because if you take away his grandslam, he is nothing special. You couldn't do that with pre 2011 Djokovic. He had several Masters 1000 titles, another grandslam final and a TMC. Del Potro's best title other than his slam is a ATP 500 title.

He is also overrated because as I remember, in early 2011, people were picking him as the guy to break Djokovic's streak ()

He is hype personified.
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Old 08-05-2012, 11:28 PM   #116
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His serve is worse than Federer's for God's sake.
What's this really saying? Federer's serve is very good, easily the best of the Top 4 and better than 98% of the tour.
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What's this really saying? Federer's serve is very good, easily the best of the Top 4 and better than 98% of the tour.
Federer is 6'1''. Del Potro is 6'6''.
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Federer is 6'1''. Del Potro is 6'6''.
Roddick and Querrey are both taller as well but Federer still has a better serve. Karlovic is taller and has more pace in his serve, but it's still arguable that Federer still has the better serve. So, what's your point?
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I expect JMDP to keep improving all aspects of his game. What is really good to see is how he volleyed against Fed. He is capable of really stepping up each aspect of his game due to TALENT and DESIRE. Not many can call upon both but JMDP certainly can. Hence why he's a challenger for slams or should be in 2013, if not at the USO.

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Roddick and Querrey are both taller as well but Federer still has a better serve. Karlovic is taller and has more pace in his serve, but it's still arguable that Federer still has the better serve. So, what's your point?
His point is that (s)he doesn't have one.
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