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Old 07-24-2012, 03:45 PM   #16
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Default Re: Was Rosol def. Nadal the biggest upset in tennis history?

Mr. Groove, you're talking about biggest upsets in a major in the Open Era, right?

In pure rankings terms I would say:

1. Aussie Mark Edmondson winning the 1976 Australian Open
The 212th ranked Australian beat Phil Dent, Ken Roswall in the semis, and defending champion John Newcombe in the final.

2. Goran Ivanisevic wins 2001 Wimbledon
Wild Card 125th ranked Goran Ivanisevic, was the lowest-ranked player and only wild card to win Wimbledon.
He beat #33 Roddick, #40 Rusedski, #3 Safin, #11 Henman, #10 Rafter to win the tournament.

3. 20 year old 66th ranked Gustavo Kuerten won Roland Garros 1997 beating #5 Muster and #3 Kafelnikov along the way before defeating Spaniard #19 Brugera in the final.

4. Lukas Rosol #100 defeating #2 seed Rafael Nadal in the second round of Wimbledon

5. Swiss lucky loser 145th ranked George Bastl beat 30 year old #13 Pete Sampras in 2002 Wimbledon

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Old 07-24-2012, 03:53 PM   #17
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Default Re: Was Rosol def. Nadal the biggest upset in tennis history?

Don't get me wrong, I do rank the Rosol upset pretty highly.

I don't know how Ivanisevic's entire run at Wimbledon should qualify for this thread. That was a streak of matches not an upset. Given the players that were active back then, even if he had beaten Sampras in the finals or R1 for example it would still be inferior to a few others. Ivanisevic was no slouch.

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Don't get me wrong, I do rank the Rosol upset pretty highly.

I don't know how Ivanisevic's entire run at Wimbledon should qualify for this thread. That was a streak of matches not an upset. Given the players that were active back then, even if he had beaten Sampras in the finals or R1 for example it would still be inferior to a few others. Ivanisevic was no slouch.

Rankings are rankings, they're just a number, sometimes it doesn't tell the whole story.
Agree 100%. This was only in terms of rankings.

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Default Re: Was Rosol def. Nadal the biggest upset in tennis history?

Soderling, and I never really liked the guy



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Default Re: Was Rosol def. Nadal the biggest upset in tennis history?

Guga's run was pretty impressive in '97, beating former RG champions left and right.

I have another question: Does the rest of the player's career matter in terms of defining the upsets? For instance, since Soderling backed up his upset at RG 09 by making the final, another final the next year, and being a consistent top 10 player for a couple of years, does it lessen the shock of the upset a bit?

Muller, Karlovic, Doohan, all have had respectable careers. Nestor over Edberg, that was insane, Nestor has had a solid doubles career. But George Bastl!!!!!!! But at the same time, Pete was clearly past his prime.

I think a lot will depend on how the rest of Rosol's career (and Nadal's) pans out.
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Default Re: Was Rosol def. Nadal the biggest upset in tennis history?

Lendl was one guy that avoided the huge upset. If someone lower ranked had gotten the best of him at USO during the 80's that would've been something worthy of this thread.

His record at USO was stellar.
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Default Re: Was Rosol def. Nadal the biggest upset in tennis history?

Yeah. Nestor will always be an eye opener for me. This guy is a doubles specialist for Gods sake. Ranked #238 and hardly played on the singles main tour, only in challengers.
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Default Re: Was Rosol def. Nadal the biggest upset in tennis history?

No. Losing in one match to a huge server on grass - regardless of who you are - is not the greatest upset in tennis history
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No. Losing in one match to a huge server on grass - regardless of who you are - is not the greatest upset in tennis history
If you're talking about Krajicek, then yes. If you're talking about Rosol, then no.
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This.

Nadal had always showed signs of vulnerability during the first week at wimbledon. This time Rosol kept God mode till the very end.
I agree with that but still it is one of the biggest upsets ever perhaps the biggest.
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Default Re: Was Rosol def. Nadal the biggest upset in tennis history?

Am inclined to agree Soderling was bigger. At the time Soderling was barely in the Top 30, had no pedigree on clay, had been thrashed by Nadal in Rome, & had always failed at slams, whereas Nadal had never lost at R.G. & never even been taken to 5 sets, even by peak Federer. That Nadal should lose at R.G. at all was upset enough, but to Soderling? Whatever his subsequent record at R.G., at the time nobody thought he had it in him. The result sent shockwaves through the sport, with the French press referring to it as "the earthquake" for days on end. Doohan against Becker was comparable, I guess.

I suppose we could distinguish between "shock" & "upset". The bigger shock is the more surprising result, the bigger upset the one with the greater disparity between the quality of the players. Under the second definition, I guess Nestor against Edberg is winning so far.
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Default Re: Was Rosol def. Nadal the biggest upset in tennis history?

Doohan beating Becker(defending champ) in 1987.


http://www.nytimes.com/1987/06/27/sp...ted=all&src=pm


Nadal was not even the defending champ. Also Nadal is not on grass what Becker was in his prime. This was a bigger upset. Becker was a much better grasscourt player so that was a bigger upset. Plus Nadal is past his prime now and these losses will happen. Becker in his early 20s was still in his prime.
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Becker lost in R1 of the 1987 wimbledon when he was the 2 time defending champion .Thats the biggest upset
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Default Re: Was Rosol def. Nadal the biggest upset in tennis history?

Not even close.. Soderling defeating Rafa at the French was a much bigger upset, and even then, I wouldn't consider that the biggest upset in men's tennis, although it is certainly up there. Rosol beating Rafa was not entirely surprising, at least for, even soon after the match. Yes, it was still rather unbelievable that Rosol pulled it off, however, remember that Rafa was down so many times at Wimbledon throughout the years and he has narrowly escape each time, a couple times due to some luck on his side. Kendrick was 2 points away from winning their match in 2006, Soderling had a break? or had break points in the 5th set in 2007, Youzhny was up 2 sets to love in 2007, Federer had his chances in the 5th set in 2008, and Petzschner/Haase also had their chances to win their matches against Rafa in 2010. So I'm not sure how a player, as in Rosol, who was able to take that one extra step all those players before him couldn't is considered a huge upset.

Chang beating Lendl at the French Open is arguably one of the biggest upsets. Chang obviously very young, far less experienced and Lendl was a multi slam winner both overall and at Roland Garros.
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Default Re: Was Rosol def. Nadal the biggest upset in tennis history?

I still think it's Soderling beating Nadal at RG. All you need is the reaction of the tennnis world to tell you which is the bigger upset. Nadal losing to Rosol was talked about but the shock value was nowhere close to him losing to Soderling. I'm sure many Nadal fans would admit to crying when he lost at RG but I doubt any of them shed a tear at his loss to Rosol.
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Default Re: Was Rosol def. Nadal the biggest upset in tennis history?

Huet (293) def Lendl (7) in RG 1993 must be mentionned.
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