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Old 05-27-2012, 06:06 PM   #661
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Only the hard courts and grass needs to be sped up specially Wimbledon. They dont know how to volley well because its not needed.
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Old 05-27-2012, 06:18 PM   #662
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mahut can play on clay, but shitroddick can't play on any surface.
roddick is greedy as fuck.
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Old 05-27-2012, 08:57 PM   #663
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Wrong time of the year for this thread really.
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Old 05-29-2012, 02:11 PM   #664
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Not sure if this was asked before. What effect will the special preperations made for Wimbledon grass this season have on the speed of Wimbledon 2012 (in comparisson to 2011, 2010)?
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Default Wimbledon's groundsman tells: It's a myth that the grass is slower

Eddie Seaward, the head groundsman at the All England Club, has told The Tennis Space that it is myth that the grass courts at Wimbledon are slower than they used to be. “I don’t think the grass has slowed down – the ball still comes off the grass at the same speed.” What has changed, said Seaward, is that the ball now bounces a little higher and that helps when you are trying to return a 140mph serve.

See full article on http://www.thetennisspace.com/on-cou...ass-is-slower/


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Lol, here I was expecting him to admit it was slower. How unexpected he refuses to do so. It's also amazing how he says it's not slower but the bounce actually means conditions are slower. The surface may not have changed but if the ball bounces changes of course conditions will change. He's contradicting himself...
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Old 06-20-2012, 12:45 PM   #669
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The fact Nadal has won the title says he's talking rubbish.
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The fact Nadal has won the title says he's talking rubbish.
Agassi won in 1992 and Conchita Martinez won in 1994. Nadal winning does not mean the grass is slower. And, BTW, Nadal won Queens as well.
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Agassi won in 1992 and Conchita Martinez won in 1994. Nadal winning does not mean the grass is slower. And, BTW, Nadal won Queens as well.
Of course it does. There's video proof in the thread that it's slower.

What more do you need?
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Old 06-20-2012, 01:04 PM   #672
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They changed the grass. Literally. Changed. The grass.
And the balls are slow as shit.

I reckon with light balls, like the Halle balls, it would actually resemble grass court tennis again.
Wishful thinking though.
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Old 06-20-2012, 02:24 PM   #673
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I often heard people say the USO normally is the fastest of the 4 Slams, despite the higher bounce (and not counting last year's conditions), while the AO despite the lower bounce, are slower. I think the eventual speed of the surface also (or maybe even primarily) depends on the elasticity/spring of the material used. A different composition of the soil (and grass) at Wimby could cause different elasticity (however hard to imagine it comes close to a hard court).
...I would like to learn more about that.
I'm not a specialist at all but here's how I understand it.

yes there's a difference between two aspects : highness of the bounce and actual speed of the ball (speed in any direction, vertical, horizontal) which depends on how much the energy of the ball is taken by the ground during the bounce and also on how the ground reacts to the spin (because the spin requires a lot of energy in itself independtly from the speed of the ball, that is of the gravity centre of the ball).

However, when the bounce is lower, it makes it much more difficult for players to catch the ball in defense ... because the second bounce will be earlier.

And as far as the bounce is concerned, the main characteristic of grass which makes it better for attacking players and less good for defensive players is the fact that the bounce is low : the ball slips on the ground.

Another characteristic of grass in the past was that there were more bad bounces, which was also better for players who played serve-and-volley, McEnroe always insists on that aspect.

All of those aspects make that the "speed" of the surface also depends on the character of the bounce (vertical or horizontal direction, reaction to the spin), which is clearly something Wimbledon's groundman decided to take out of consideration.

And all of those aspects also explain why the word "speed of the surface" is often used in two different meanings.

But anyway the highness of the bounce is very important (for instance the WTF surface is quite "slow" as far as the speed of the ball is concerned but the bounce is low), and so are the balls.

And as far as grass is concerned, the highness of the bounce is at the core of the "topic" rather than what he calls "the speed of the ball", which means how much the energy is taken by the bounce. Compare how the ball slips on a "quick grass" and how high the bounce is now on the baseline in the second week of Wimbledon : it's 100% different for a Nadal !!

As for the Australian open comparing to the US Open, I'm not that sure of what you say since it has become plexicushion : it seems to me the bounce is not much different but clearly the US Open is quicker.

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How can you speed clay?Why you speed grass when it is speed already? USO is fast.What really should be speed up?
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Something new with the grass? Or it's in the same way of all last years? Thought something different could happen because of the Olympics.
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