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Old 06-15-2012, 01:17 AM   #16
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Well pretty much any flat hitter with decent volleys would be doing a lot better than they are now.
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Old 06-15-2012, 01:22 AM   #17
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John McEnroe would disagree. And I would take the opinion of a 7 time GS champ over an opinion of a forum troll like you anyday
I agree. Nadal's volley would not be an issue. But his serve and his forehand would be affected. Now if the courts are the same, he would still be tough to beat.
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Depends what you mean by being a good volleyer. Nadal has much softer hands at the net than he used to, and has perfected the drop-volley for finishing off points.

That said, I don't think his volley technique is very good in a traditional sense. He can come to the net to clean up points, but he often looks pretty lost if someone brings him there on their terms, or if he has to take control of the point and dominate from there.

Not that many modern players are better. When the majority of the field are lost inside the service line, a modicum of touch at the net is manna from heaven. Players aren't as comfortable with passing shots as they used to be, so that helps.
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John McEnroe would disagree. And I would take the opinion of a 7 time GS champ over an opinion of a forum troll like you anyday
The same McEnroe that said RN had a better serve and volleys than Federer? He sucks as a commentator as he says what he sees in one single point. Mind you, I don't claim to know my tennis all that well at all but Mac is seriously not a benchmark for opinions.

RN can put away medium volleys in difficulty after approaching off of a good, deep top-spinning FH. He won't be able to hit that angled shot with old rackets. Now do you want to contribute something to the thread?
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This "ifs..." threads are breeding all over MTF.
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Come on, it's fun, no? It's better than Novak Nadal, endless discussion or Federer's marital problems threads ..
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The same McEnroe that said RN had a better serve and volleys than Federer? He sucks as a commentator as he says what he sees in one single point. Mind you, I don't claim to know my tennis all that well at all but Mac is seriously not a benchmark for opinions.
His opinions still count for more than anyone's on this forum though
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Not when he watches tennis 1 month in a year they don't. Seriously, he can comment accurately on the players when he can watch them play but he cannot be objective about their whole game.
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I remember a few years ago, (in Fed's prime) he tried somekind of really old racquet just to see how good he was at hitting the ball or something, and he excelled where everyobdy else sucked, if I remembered correctly he was the best by far, so... obviously, Fed would be the best right now with an 80s racquet
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The same McEnroe that said RN had a better serve and volleys than Federer? He sucks as a commentator as he says what he sees in one single point. Mind you, I don't claim to know my tennis all that well at all but Mac is seriously not a benchmark for opinions.

RN can put away medium volleys in difficulty after approaching off of a good, deep top-spinning FH. He won't be able to hit that angled shot with old rackets. Now do you want to contribute something to the thread?
Nadal's volleys are amazing. I don't understand why people say they aren't. Because he's primarly a baseliner? The technique on his volleys is sound, he knows when to approach the net at the right time and he rarely gets passed. He can even throw in some S&V on faster surfaces as a surprise. I don't understand why people have to hate and can't give credit. McEnroe is right to say that Nadal had great volleys.
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Nadal's volleys are amazing. I don't understand why people say they aren't. Because he's primarly a baseliner? The technique on his volleys is sound, he knows when to approach the net at the right time and he rarely gets passed. He can even throw in some S&V on faster surfaces as a surprise. I don't understand why people have to hate and can't give credit. McEnroe is right to say that Nadal had great volleys.
He's good when he needs to approach but it's all according to his comfort zone. He'll need to do it all the time and without the comfort of his amazing approach top-spin shots, I don't see him being that good. Just my 2 cents.
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btw don't know about the 80's but as for 1900's: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q16pnNQfYYQ
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Nadal's volleys are amazing. I don't understand why people say they aren't. Because he's primarly a baseliner? The technique on his volleys is sound, he knows when to approach the net at the right time and he rarely gets passed. He can even throw in some S&V on faster surfaces as a surprise. I don't understand why people have to hate and can't give credit. McEnroe is right to say that Nadal had great volleys.
Naw. He has one of the best drop-volleys in the game, but other than that his volleying is pretty average.

He is an excellent judge of when to volley though. He doesn't overestimate his own abilities and only approaches when it makes sense to do so, or against players who can't pass for shit. As a result he doesn't get beaten at the net very often.
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