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Tsonga 35 49.30%
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Old 05-04-2012, 04:06 PM   #16
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The funniest thing is Ricky Dimon:

"LOL. I couldn't care less about their careers. Is Bjorn Borg better than Marin Cilic? No, Cilic would kill Borg."

Cilic would kill Borg? Seriously?
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Tsonga has more versions:
Clownga, Stronga etc.......

Ferrer only has one version..... Ferrer

Stronga is exciting to watch. Tsonga can mutate from clownga to stronga.
With Ferrer it's always the same, Ferrer the fighter.

Tsonga can defeat anyone when he is on, tsonga has more weapons.
Tsonga wins by far
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[quote=BroTree123;11954065]At the end of the day, Tsonga is better.

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there's one cliche about Ferrer which is absolutely wrong : that he's just a consistent player who always beats lower ranked players but always loses to top ones.

Actually it's completely wrong :

1. Ferrer has his share of injuries and bad losses, people just don't notice them because they just don't care about Ferrer Ferrer does play badly in some periods and in these periods he does lose to mugs, there are indeed two versions of Ferrer, a good and a bad one ;

2. Ferrer actually has a good record against top-players, I was surprised about that when I made a recording file about H2Hs : Ferrer is 4-5 against Murray, 5-8 against Djokovic, 4-2 against Del Potro, 6-4 against Roddick, 8-5 against Nalbandian, 6-1 against Ljubicic, 5-3 against Berdych, etc ... overall in my file I integrated the H2Hs of 36 "top-players" and Ferrer has a record of 54% wins, nearly like Roddick (56) and Söderling (52), but better than Nalbandian, Davydenko and Ljubicic (50, 48 and 48), better than Hewitt (50), better than Tsonga (47), than Safin (46), Berdych (44), Monfils (44), Wawrinka (42), Youzhny (42), Baghdatis (40), Verdasco (38) or Simon (37) to mention some ... I never thought before doing that recording file that Ferrer was a player who could be seen in the same category as Nalbandian and Davydenko, esp. for a stat rather related to the peak-level like that one ... and yet he stubbornly stood even better than both Nalby and Davydenko in those stats

Moreover, Ferrer played a very very high level against Nadal last sunday imo.

Imo Tsonga is a talented player but Ferrer is better.

PS : actually a player who last year was very consistent but never making better to the next step was a player who has a reputation of being able of everything, winning or losing ... Tomas Berdych

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When he at least wins a MS1000, let alone a slam final, then we can have a decent discussion.
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there's one cliche about Ferrer which is absolutely wrong : that he's just a consistent player who always beats lower ranked players but always loses to top ones.

Actually it's completely wrong :

1. Ferrer has his lot of injuries and bad losses, people just don't notice them because they just don't care about Ferrer Ferrer does play badly in some periods and in these periods he does lose to mugs ;

2. Ferrer actually has a good record against top-players, I was surprised about that when I made a recording file about H2Hs : Ferrer is 4-5 against Murray, 5-8 against Djokovic, 4-2 against Del Potro, 6-4 against Roddick, 8-5 against Nalbandian, 6-1 against Ljubicic, 5-3 against Berdych, etc ... overall in my file I integrated a lot of 36 "top-players" and Ferrer has a record of 54% wins, nearly like Roddick (56) and Söderling (52), but better than Nalbandian, Davydenko and Ljubicic (50, 48 and 48), better than Tsonga (47), than Safin (46), Berdych (44), Monfils (44), Wawrinka (42) or Verdasco (38) to mention some ...

Moreover, Ferrer played a very very high level against Nadal last sunday imo.

Imo Tsonga is a talented player but Ferrer is better.
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I can't believe I've actually made it either, but crazy to look at the poll results at the moment.
Same here. Ridiculous, there's simply no objective (or even subjective) criteria that might possibly make Ferrer better than Tsonga, not now and sure as hell not overall.

This poll just proves my conviction that Ferrer is the most overrated player on tour.

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"LOL. I couldn't care less about their careers. Is Bjorn Borg better than Marin Cilic? No, Cilic would kill Borg."

Cilic would kill Borg? Seriously?
If you would send Cilic back with a time machine he would pound Borg 6-0 6-0
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Tsonga is the better player.
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there's one cliche about Ferrer which is absolutely wrong : that he's just a consistent player who always beats lower ranked players but always loses to top ones.

Actually it's completely wrong :

1. Ferrer has his share of injuries and bad losses, people just don't notice them because they just don't care about Ferrer Ferrer does play badly in some periods and in these periods he does lose to mugs, there are indeed two versions of Ferrer, a good and a bad one ;

2. Ferrer actually has a good record against top-players, I was surprised about that when I made a recording file about H2Hs : Ferrer is 4-5 against Murray, 5-8 against Djokovic, 4-2 against Del Potro, 6-4 against Roddick, 8-5 against Nalbandian, 6-1 against Ljubicic, 5-3 against Berdych, etc ... overall in my file I integrated the H2Hs of 36 "top-players" and Ferrer has a record of 54% wins, nearly like Roddick (56) and Söderling (52), but better than Nalbandian, Davydenko and Ljubicic (50, 48 and 48), better than Hewitt (50), better than Tsonga (47), than Safin (46), Berdych (44), Monfils (44), Wawrinka (42), Youzhny (42), Baghdatis (40), Verdasco (38) or Simon (37) to mention some ...

Moreover, Ferrer played a very very high level against Nadal last sunday imo.

Imo Tsonga is a talented player but Ferrer is better.

PS : actually a player who last year was very consistent but never making better to the next step was a player who has a reputation of being able of everything, winning or losing ... Tomas Berdych
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Ferrer winning the poll.
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When he at least wins a MS1000, let alone a slam final, then we can have a decent discussion.
For MS1000 tournaments, you know that Ferrer's best surface is clay and on clay, there's an ogre who eats everything and leaves no title for the others, except 5 titles for all-time greats who are Djokovic and Federer in 8 years (well Robredo won one when both Fed and Nadal were not there, and Fed won one in 2005 when Nadal wasn't there).

Tsonga won Bercy when the top-4 was in reality absent.

For slams, Ferrer made two slam semifinals and also gave a hard time esp. to Djokovics and Murrays.

Was also WTF finalist (and also semifinalist), playing great there.

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Berydch, Tsonga and Soderling all are better players than Ferrer. At least all the 3 have somethings in common.

1. Masters title.
2. Slam final(s)
3. Beating top players in big matches more than Ferrer.
4. Peak game that can hurt/beat the top 4. Ferrer doesn't have a peak game.
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Ferrer doesn't have a peak game.
imo his game last sunday was great and was a peak game

Söderling is another category than Tsonga and Berdych.
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