[Sri]

Originally Posted by abraxas21

it depends on what you mean by 'wrong' or 'right...

let's start with something basic: do you approve the existence of a minimun wage?

Do you approve of freedom? Or do you wish the super state dictates everything?

What we need is capitalism with compassion. But not a super state structure with billions of regulations. That's just an invitation to corruption which leads to situations worse than the ills of capitalism.

[abraxas21]

Originally Posted by Jimnik

Capitalism rocks.

which one are you?

[abraxas21]

What we need is capitalism with compassion. But not a super state structure with billions of regulations. That's just an invitation to corruption which leads to situations worse than the ills of capitalism.

same question i did to jimmy: do you approve the existance of a minumum wage?

[abraxas21]

Originally Posted by Sri

Do you approve of freedom? Or do you wish the super state dictates everything?

Originally Posted by fast_clay

should the western world swing any further left than it is today, then you are creating the perfect climate for a nasty little fella called totalitarianism...

this is precisely the type of exaggerations and extreme comparisons that lots of libertarians and conservatives like to use

[fast_clay]

Originally Posted by abraxas21

this is precisely the type of exaggerations and extreme comparisons that lots of libertarians and conservatives like to use

don't worry mate, i believe it is everybody's born right to have an adequate education... for when this is seen to, then there are no excuses... not even healthcare comes close...

the state should concern itself with refereeing the playing field, not fixing the full time score... for when that is taken care of, everyone plays ball...

[Topspindoctor]

fast clown campaigning hard for the top ACC seed in this thread, I see. Needs the Kim Jong Il avatar back to challenge for the top 3 however.

[fast_clay]

Originally Posted by Topspindoctor

fast clown campaigning hard for the top ACC seed in this thread, I see. Needs the Kim Jong Il avatar back to challenge for the top 3 however.

like most australians, you have no real clue... you were the one accusing me of being a socialist for 6 whole months... don't cover the disgust in yourself at being totally wrong by prancing around in here in nadal's Nike spring outfit...

[Jimnik]

Originally Posted by abraxas21

it depends on what you mean by 'wrong' or 'right...

i know you've described yourself as a libertarian but i've never been sure to what degree... let's start with something basic: do you approve the existence of a minimum wage?

You mean a government imposed minimum wage? I guess I don't but let me explain myself.

The way the job markets should work is much like any other market where there's supply (job providers) and demand (job seekers). Hence "job providers" posting job vacancies. Then "job seekers" bid against eachother to get the vacancy. When the market is booming minimum wage automatically rises, when crashing minimum wage falls.

Hence a solution in which the minimum wage fluctuates depending on strength of the economy would work more efficiently than artificially assigning a single value based on subjective opinion.

Originally Posted by abraxas21

which one are you?

My brothers. I think they're being sarcastic.

I actively condemn all public actions of anarchy so rioting/protesting/complaining is a definite no-no. I would tell them to fuck off and get back to work.

Originally Posted by fast_clay

don't worry mate, i believe it is everybody's born right to have an adequate education... for when this is seen to, then there are no excuses... not even healthcare comes close...

the state should concern itself with refereeing the playing field, not fixing the full time score... for when that is taken care of, everyone plays ball...

This.

Ideally every parent should work hard to pay for their children but realistically it doesn't happen. So I condone state subsidized education and child healthcare. But once you turn 21, you're on your own.

[Shinoj]

Originally Posted by Jimnik

I actively condemn all public actions of anarchy so rioting/protesting/complaining is a definite no-no. I would tell them to fuck off and get back to work.

Public protesting doesn't mean Anarchy. if the public cant protest against whatever system is imposed on then then what is use of all these concepts . Socialism,Capitalism and so on. Public opinion should be the base of any system.

[Shinoj]

is there anybody from the Erstwhile Soviet of give a real picture? If you people believe so much about the Leftist propaganda then what makes you think that whatever you are uttering is not a Pro Liberal Democratic Propaganda.

[Jimnik]

Originally Posted by Shinoj

Public protesting doesn't mean Anarchy. if the public cant protest against whatever system is imposed on then then what is use of all these concepts . Socialism,Capitalism and so on. Public opinion should be the base of any system.

Socialism represses protesting more than capitalism, but that's beside the point. In a democracy public opinion is made to count through the electoral system. Going onto the streets and trying to force opinion on people while causing widespread disruption is anarchy.

[fast_clay]

Originally Posted by Jimnik

Socialism represses protesting more than capitalism, but that's beside the point. In a democracy public opinion is made to count through the electoral system. Going onto the streets and trying to force opinion on people while causing widespread disruption is anarchy.

to what political ideology does the US policy signed quietly on new years eve belong...? And the new one signed last month allowing suspected troublemakers like buddyholly and abraxas to be detained indefinitely without access to any legal aid whatsoever after algorithms posing at net cops repeatedly find certain keystroke combinations of these two loveable larrakins disagreeable to the interests of the state...? Where do these fit into the ideological spectrum...?

[fast_clay]

Originally Posted by Jimnik

the minimum wage fluctuates depending on strength of the economy would work more efficiently than artificially assigning a single value based on subjective opinion.

you see it's posts like these that say i could probably shout you a beer, have a political discussion with you and not end up punching you in the face like some of clowns in here that simply don't get it...

The new western economies will soon, or should, be rebuilt with models based upon human nature itself - changeable and flexible...models that do not set an unrealistic target doomed to fail from the outset, but models that have innate abilities to reflect and respond to the strengths and weaknesses inside each particular individual economy...

Where once economic models assumed to intimately know the motivations and incentives of a population, newer models will not assume to know what pleases a population... And when you think about it Jim, people being happy in taking out a mortgage are looking like they are soon gonna be in the vast minority, as this debt based monetary model we've been born into has pretty much run it's natural course...

The age of debt saturation...

[Chris 84]

this thread sucks.....seriously.

[JolánGagó]

Socialism is the cancer of this world.

I blame Tiriac.