[Mark Lenders]

Originally Posted by J99

What's amazing is that Isner has faced 126 BP's this season and saved 72% of them, Milos 83 saved 76%.

Milos has won 4% more serve games, so I'd still probably say he has the edge, but it's very close, I'll give you that.

Actually Isner's clay return stats are worse than his hard I just found.

Wait until he starts having deep runs in big tournaments - Masters and Slams - his stats will then become normal. Isner managed to serve the likes of Federer and Djokovic off the court, but that obviously has a negative impact on his stats.

It's not really close; pretty much every pro asked said Isner has the best serve, no one even mentioned Raonic. Milos has a great serve, but Isner in a class of his own. His serve alone makes him a threat; even Federer, famed as the best returners of big serves, struggles to find answers against it.

Isner's return is abysmal everywhere. He must be one of the poorest returners ever to make it to the top 10, if not the poorest.

Originally Posted by J99

It's not that he couldn't get to them, it's that he couldn't hit them the way he wanted.

No, it just means that Cilic is good at returning Roddick's serve and Roddick is poor at returning.

He just needs to get to them to stop it from being an ace...

Forget Roddick if you want. He outaced all his opponents in his 2009 US Open run and 2010 AO run, all of them.

[J99]

Originally Posted by Mark Lenders

Wait until he starts having deep runs in big tournaments - Masters and Slams - his stats will then become normal. Isner managed to serve the likes of Federer and Djokovic off the court, but that obviously has a negative impact on his stats.

It's not really close; pretty much every pro asked said Isner has the best serve, no one even mentioned Raonic. Milos has a great serve, but Isner in a class of his own. His serve alone makes him a threat; even Federer, famed as the best returners of big serves, struggles to find answers against it.

Isner's return is abysmal everywhere. He must be one of the poorest returners ever to make it to the top 10, if not the poorest.



He just needs to get to them to stop it from being an ace...

Forget Roddick if you want. He outaced all his opponents in his 2009 US Open run and 2010 AO run, all of them.

Ok, so maybe del Po has alot of trouble with Cilic's serve, Cilic out aced him in their last ATP match 6-4.

Raonic has served quite well vs. Fed, Murray and Ferrer this season.

[abraxas21]

once a mug, always a mug

[Mark Lenders]

Originally Posted by abraxas21

once a mug, always a mug

Except Marin was never a mug...

[Pirata.]

Originally Posted by Mark Lenders

Uh I had no idea about that incident. Any links?

http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=166121

[networthy]

Originally Posted by Chase Visa

I do wonder what happened after AO 2010. Just seemed like an average player after that.

Originally Posted by Mark Lenders

Exactly my point. He looked so awesome in USO 2009 and AO 2010 and then he suddenly became average.

He's the 24th best tennis player in the world, out of 7 billion people. Since when is that "average"?

You people need a reality check

[networthy]

Originally Posted by Topspindoctor

Nothing happened to him, he was always a mug, who won a couple of MM tournies and fluked a slam semi after barely beating Mugic and no-wrist Delpotro. He was never anything special, his technique sucks, his serve sucks and he's a clown.

At just 23 years old, he was won $4.5 million just in prize money (plus who knows how much more in endorsements and exhibitions).

If he's a clown, you're the joke.

[Mark Lenders]

Originally Posted by Pirata.

http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=166121

Thanks. This is horrible, must have really affected Marin. Had no idea.

[Mark Lenders]

Originally Posted by networthy

He's the 24th best tennis player in the world, out of 7 billion people. Since when is that "average"?

You people need a reality check

Average in relative terms, compared to what he once was. Of course in absolute terms he's not average.

But compared to the player he was in late 2009/early 2010, he is.