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Old 04-27-2012, 05:03 PM   #136
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One more things guys, I really don't understand why so many people on MTF literally hate Murray. OK, you can say he looks miserable sometimes, his body language is bad ... but still. another thing is, regardless of this loss, Murray is a very solid clay player. He almost def. Djokovic last year in Rome, he was able to win a set against Nadal etc. Let's be a bit more objective here.

Wnen Djokovic, Rafa of Fed lose a match, hey it's not a big deal (you can't win everything) ... nobody (or shall I say almost nobody )on MTF is making any jokes, they are like 3 Gods. When Murray loses a match, he gets so humiliated here, he is a mug, he is this or that ... not cool at all. Murray is trying hard, but he is just not as good as Djok, Rafa and Roger.
100% agree. But Murray fans want to believe he is as good as those 3, and they are always incredibly arrogant. So that's why it's funny when he loses. I don't like Murray's style, but I don't hate him at all, it's because of Murray fans that I'm happy when he loses.
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Old 04-27-2012, 05:11 PM   #137
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What the heck was that??!! Terrible from Andy.

Well done Milos. Perhaps there is a youngster who can make it.
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Old 04-27-2012, 05:12 PM   #138
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100% agree. But Murray fans want to believe he is as good as those 3, and they are always incredibly arrogant. So that's why it's funny when he loses. I don't like Murray's style, but I don't hate him at all, it's because of Murray fans that I'm happy when he loses.
LOL WHAT make you think we are arrogant? we aren't If your looking for arrogance pal then check the Fed camp. Murray fans>>> every other tennis fan. Another thing, Andy has enough abuse from the media so it sickens me when people say he's a mug, loser, also people actually want him to die.. its shocking and disgusting really. Cut him some slack please. Poor guy. You might not like the guy .. Yes he can be frustrating (I've had many experiences of this) but hes a fantastic player and I believe one day he will win a grand slam ONE DAY

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LOL WHAT make you think we are arrogant? we aren't If your looking for arrogance pal then check the Fed camp. Murray fans>>> everyone other tennis fan.

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Old 04-27-2012, 05:18 PM   #140
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I like both but Raonic is a better player overall. Better FH and BH.
Isner's forehand is better than Raonic's.

But Milos is much younger and still can improve a lot.
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100% agree. But Murray fans want to believe he is as good as those 3, and they are always incredibly arrogant. So that's why it's funny when he loses. I don't like Murray's style, but I don't hate him at all, it's because of Murray fans that I'm happy when he loses.
You may be confusing Murray being included in a 'big 4' with people claiming he is as good as the top three. He is clearly along way ahead of those below him so deserves to be distuinguished from them, but you are also right that he is not as good as the top 3. The best way of putting it is probaly calling it a 'big 3.5' but nobody can be bothered with that!
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Isner's forehand is better than Raonic's.

But Milos is much younger and still can improve a lot.
Isner when he makes it looks more explosive and powerful but Raonic's is more constructive and consistent, if that makes sense.
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a quality big 4 (er, big 3.5?) scalp for milos. the chairman dictated play throughout and his movement and balance on clay continue to improve. the inside-out fh was devastating and left murray no other option but to scramble defensively. andy played well and within himself, but was simply outgunned and outmanned. real-deal still needs to work on the touch, as a well-disguised drop-shot would be highly effective with his opponents pinned well behind the baseline.

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Didnt expect this from Rushnish since he was pretty awful on clay prior this tournament,but
Attacking tennis won over the mug pusher.
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When Murray will retire and if someone asks about him:
Remember Murray?
Oh yeah i remember the pusher with no FH.

All credit should be given to Milos, he destroyed Pushray playing aggressive tennis. Nothing Pushray could have done today.
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I think when the big three retire he can win a slam. With clowns like Mugic and Dimugtrov as his greatest rivals, its certainly possible.
Definitely. You get in Milos a huge server whose return game percentage keeps improving (consistently around or above 30% since the beginning of 2012).
On top of the serve, he has going for him: a great FH, better movement and ground game, an open mind, a fast learner and youth.
Combine all of that and you are certainly in slam territory, more so than Roddick was for example - and he won a slam.
I'd be terribly surprised - and disappointed - if he doesn't win a slam in the next few years.
However, for the time being, he needs to work on his ability to close out big matches.
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I'm so happy about this match! Rushing home in a bit to watch it.
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Murray is just too stubborn. Doesn't deserve to win slams and majors because his style of play invariably relies on his opponents making errors. Which means he wont win against top quality players or any aggressive player who is on his game.

Murray was great to watch a while back. He varied the pace and the tactics a lot. Now he's become so predictable, just pushing the ball back into midcourt. Most top players just step in and put the ball away. Look at the consistently great length that the likes of Djokovic hit shot after shot, just inside the baseline, and compare it with murray's groundstrokes which usually just pass the service line. His body language and talking to himself antics were once amusing, now they make him look like a spoilt brat.

He has the aggressive game in him, but is too mentally weak to employ it against top opponents.
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I did not expect this. I'm in shock. Murray's only saving grace is that this is only a minor tournament in the grand scheme of things. Lendl is destroying him

I don't enjoy Raonic's game but it's good to see at least one player from this generation standing up and being counted
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Wow Raonic! People said you would never win against the top 5.. you proved them wrong! Way to go! And now the bandwagon can roll on!
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