[tripwires]

Oh my god, T-Doc is actually making sense.

[v-money]

Originally Posted by Topspindoctor

..And people like you make it into "sheep" category and are the reason that make it necessary for the government to control drugs. You have to get hammered into oblivion. Why? Imagine what would happen if you had easy access to powerful hallucinogens or psycho stimulants. People are dumb - they have no semblance of control. Thus drugs need to be controlled. Not because they will kill you, but because mindless abusers who can't control their intake will cause more harm than good.

I drink alcohol every day. I ignore multiple social stigmas (such as drinking before 12am or drinking alone etc). However, I am fully in control of my drinking. A glass of fine whiskey after work to relax and get a buzz is totally different to getting hammered like a teenager.

People often make a mistake that drugs are controlled because they are dangerous, while in reality, government is protecting them from their own stupidity.

Fair enough, but here you talk about how you use a drug responsibly but how would you feel if the government said you couldn't because of people like me?

My point is that there is almost no conceivable way in which I can use marijuana in a irresponsible and dangerous way.

[BroTree123]

I agree. Drugs are actually beneficial to an extent, however only dangerous when overdosed, and people border beyond stupidity to even try that. Hell, overdosing on anything, be it food, exercise, sleep, playing games, etc... is bad for you. Humans lack a fundamental trait. And that is discipline. We are garbage at it.

[Topspindoctor]

Originally Posted by BroTree123

I agree. Drugs are actually beneficial to an extent, however only dangerous when overdosed, and people border beyond stupidity to even try that. Hell, overdosing on anything, be it food, exercise, sleep, playing games, etc... is bad for you. Humans lack a fundamental trait. And that is discipline.

Blasphemy.

[BroTree123]

Lies . Don't deny it Doc .

Anyways, people argue that "what makes drugs dangerous is that they're addictive, and that's what makes it lethal". So what? Anything that makes us feel good is addictive. For instance; you wonder why there are fat people (no offence), and there are quite a few bunch of losers who spend their entire lives playing games and getting computer rage every 2 seconds. Addiction is a different ball game altogether. Let me repeat it again, Anything that makes us feel good is addictive. It's too bad that most drugs are lethal when too much of them are taken. Don't blame the drug, blame your addiction for things that "make you feel good".

[tripwires]

But there are certain substances in drugs and tobacco that induce addiction. It's a bit different from some random loser who has no life and is addicted to an online forum or whatever; the online forum doesn't per se invite you to become addicted. I get your point but I think addictive substances are slightly different than computer games/sex/MTF/etc.

[v-money]

Originally Posted by BroTree123

Lies . Don't deny it Doc .

Anyways, people argue that "what makes drugs dangerous is that they're addictive, and that's what makes it lethal". So what? Anything that makes us feel good is addictive. For instance; you wonder why there are fat people (no offence), and there are quite a few bunch of losers who spend their entire lives playing games and getting computer rage every 2 seconds. Addiction is a different ball game altogether. Let me repeat it again, Anything that makes us feel good is addictive. It's too bad that most drugs are lethal when too much of them are taken. Don't blame the drug, blame your addiction for things that "make you feel good".

Agreed. If you have a vice it will be somehow addicting to you. I think I was addicted to marijuana because I used it almost every day, but luckily this was only a mental addiction. Anything can be mentally addicting. I had a job interview last week and was told to expect a job offer soon, which made me both excited and nervous, but it was obvious what I had to do...quit and let time take its toll. I just stopped using it and it was that simple...no withdrawal symptoms, nothing. One just need the right mindset to stop something that is mentally addicting.

Three of my friends just smoked in celebration of 420 and I sat with them on the porch while they were passing the bong around. Yes, some drugs can actually be addicting and people should avoid the situation. You won't see recovering heroin addicts sit around with their friends while they shoot-up. In fact my neighbors are recovering alcoholics and I think they feel very uncomfortable in the presence of alcohol. My parents invited them over a few times and they seemed offended when my parents asked them if they wanted to drink. I think this was a strange concept for my Ukrainian parents to understand as alcohol use is so common in our country and alcoholism to them seems like a lack of self-control.

[BroTree123]

Originally Posted by tripwires

But there are certain substances in drugs and tobacco that induce addiction. It's a bit different from some random loser who has no life and is addicted to an online forum or whatever; the online forum doesn't per se invite you to become addicted. I get your point but I think addictive substances are slightly different than computer games/sex/MTF/etc.

What I'm seeing with this argument is that there are various stimuli that evokes different level of fun/pleasure/happiness (whatever you want to call it). I believe that, the more "fun" a stimuli is, the more addictive it is. Just so happens that drugs are generally "more pleasurable" than say food perhaps. I believe it's the substance or chemicals (better word to use) in drugs provide that incredible kick of pleasure (not necessarily the addiction). Different levels of addiction is dependent across how "fun" or "pleasurable" something is. The relationship is proportional.

[v-money]

Well some drugs are actually addictive. I personally would not legalize something like a heroin or cocaine, but my problem is that the "war on drugs" in the US is really a war on weed, something that is more harmless and less addictive than alcohol. So much money is being spent on people who are indeed just addicted to fun and the experience of THC, not the actual chemical.

Drug tests are a perfect example of how the US is targeting marijuana users. A dangerous drug like heroin or cocaine will remain in your system for 1-4 days, but THC is one of the few drugs that is fat soluble and can stay in your system for a long time (the other fat soluble drug I know of is PCP which is very dangerous but use is rare). This policy is not protecting the people from anything. It's good that it is becoming decriminalized which keeps innocent people out of jail, but legalization is the only way the government would finally be able to regulate the drug and keep it out of the hands of children. I heard about of group of students who bought 4 ounces of marijuana today, let me tell you, this would not be possible if the government could regulate sales. It's honestly easier to get marijuana than for an underaged person to get alcohol.

[fast_clay]

Originally Posted by tripwires

It's a bit different from some random loser who has no life and is addicted to an online forum or whatever

Why are you attacking Clay Death in this way...?

[tripwires]

Originally Posted by fast_clay

Why are you attacking Clay Death in this way...?

I was actually talking about myself.

[Topspindoctor]

Originally Posted by tripwires

But there are certain substances in drugs and tobacco that induce addiction. It's a bit different from some random loser who has no life and is addicted to an online forum or whatever; the online forum doesn't per se invite you to become addicted. I get your point but I think addictive substances are slightly different than computer games/sex/MTF/etc.

Psychological addiction is much worse than physical addiction. Your organism stops craving nicotine a few days after you quit and yet many smokers start smoking weeks/months after quitting. They don't *need* nicotine, but they crave for ciggies anyway.

Like Brotree already explained, one does not specifically need a drug to be considered an addict . There were cases where people killed each other in real life over virtual MMO items in games. Any addiction is harmful, even if you happened to be addicted to drinking 20 litres of water a day, eventually your kidneys would give out.

I am actually one of those people who would favor to legalize ALL drugs, but sadly fools need to be protected from themselves, so they need to remain illegal just because of that. Few bad apples ruin it for the rest of us, unfortunately. Be it a teen getting hammered and committing crimes or someone just chilling smoking weed all day, living off wellfare etc.

There are talks of controlling sugar in Australia just like cigs/alcohol. Why? Because people can't control themselves.

[BroTree123]

Exactly. "Addiction" is psychological.

If it wasn't psychological, then you wouldn't have people quitting drugs or cigarettes, or even fat people losing weight and becoming fit. It takes time, but if you can keep psyching yourself out of it, addiction can be rid of before it becomes fatal.

Again, discipline is what we lack.

Going back to topic; whether or not we legalize drugs, I could hardly give a shit.

[djokovicgonzalez]

I did nothing on 420. I feel like a traitor to a cause, I had a damn match, and got to lose dubs from MP up with no psychological aid

[Gustavo Kuerten]

If everyone knew how it feels to be on MDMA this would be an amazing world.

Basically the only drug I would recommend to other people.