View Poll Results: Vote for speeding up the courts or against it!

sexybeast · 03-24-2012, 10:48 PM

Murray can beat Nadal in Miami and a player like Isner is almost a coin flip. I think there is a reason why Nadal never won Miami, probably it got to do with not very high bounce like in Indian Wells.

Eden · 03-30-2012, 05:36 PM

Fish: Too many slow surfaces everywhere

Friday, March 30, 2012

Mardy Fish, who lost to Juan Monaco, 6-1, 6-3, in the Sony Ericsson Open quarterfinals yesterday, said that the conditions were slow, which has become a trend on tour.

"This surface is extremely slow. I would love just to have a couple tournaments that are quicker surfaces," Fish said. "It's not necessarily the surface per se but the balls. The balls get so big and so fluffy even after a warm-up that for an attacking, fast-court type player, it's extremely hard to play those guys. Sometimes you have to execute almost every shot. You have to execute big time to beat those guys playing on the slower surfaces.

"Indian Wells is extremely slow with the balls, especially at night when we play there. It's two different tournaments: during the day and during the night. Australia is extremely slow. Wimbledon's balls are unbelievably heavy.It's hard to find fast surfaces these days that I can get away with, and the first two that jump out are Montreal and Cincinnati. I don't think it was necessarily a coincidence of my results there, because I'm a fast court player. There's just not many surfaces like it anymore."

Source: http://tennis.com/articles/templates...7032&zoneid=25

djokovicgonzalez · 03-30-2012, 05:38 PM

Big fast outdoor HC is pretty much limited to those two...

rocketassist · 03-30-2012, 05:54 PM

Fish is spot on.

It doesn't help the players' health either as Nadal's pullout testifies. Slower than ass hard courts kill joints and damage limbs. Get rid.

nobama · 03-30-2012, 06:29 PM

Hum...I thought all the players were in cahoots to have the same slow surfaces everywhere. At leat that's what we see here all time...

Fujee · 03-30-2012, 06:35 PM

Have the balls changed at Wimbledon? If so, when did they change and what from?

Start da Game · 03-30-2012, 07:02 PM

atp are not interested in going back to 70 minute finishes for best of 3 sets matches like in the 90s and early 00s......the situation has gotten out of control......they need 2 1/2 or 3 hour finishes every match.....all the leading sponsors would ditch them and run after some other sport if the courts are sped up again and match lengths are shortened......

it's all sad but that's the way it is......they have stretched the glorification of the sport part too far.....they sacrificed surface variety, tennis styles and unpredictability to expand the reach of the sport, increase the match length for commercial reasons and build a huge global following through the superstars they created......

it's now very hard to get back to old times......technology is another thing which has such a huge influence......

i don't think slams are still that bad......french open is actually faster and us open is fast as always, last year it took some time to speed up and threw an impression that it was slow.....if anything it's wimbledon which was slowed down a little but still it's great for good servers......

Start da Game · 03-30-2012, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by rocketassist

Fish is spot on.

It doesn't help the players' health either as Nadal's pullout testifies. Slower than ass hard courts kill joints and damage limbs. Get rid.

nadal would himself like the surfaces faster.....his top spin forehands won't sit up to get spanked on fast courts and his serve slides away on slick surfaces making it more difficult.....he is at his best when on the run and defending.....slow surfaces don't benefit him as much as people think.....

he is a player who got rid of karlovic on fast grass of queen's club as early as in 2007.....he will still have some trouble returning players like karlovic on fast courts but he proved in the past that with sustained match play on fast courts, he is capable of winning.....

for nadal if the court is faster,

serve: asset

ros: liability which can be overcome upon practice and match play.....

forehand: asset

backhand: real asset, they will push him to pass off that wing and
he's at his best doing that.....if you give him time, he will dump it in the net......

attack: neutral

defense: should we even talk about the greatest retriever ever's defense?

Fujee · 03-31-2012, 12:53 AM

Wimbledon and US Open are getting slower, tertible. Where are attacking players gonna go to earn points? Mardy was so correct but lets forget about the big players at the moment. Players coming through and those which have just established themselves who are attacking minded will have no chance to earn points if all the top level surfaces are slower than tar rolling on a subtle incline. The ATP are developing a playing style amongst all youth players now which, if continues to go this way will just result in one type of player: Baseliner with double handed backhand. Nothing will be unique, it will basically come down to who can last longer, e.g. Aussie Open final. It's very exciting every now and then to see a marathon iron man match. But for the sake of variety, flare, beauty and above all the health of ALL tennis players, they HAVE to speed up a good portion of the hardcourts and the Grass. It does no one favours running back and forth for hours on end. It's destroying careers, and probably ending ones before they have even begun. It's good to have a mix, slow hard courts are great but so are fast, ATP surely realise that tennis fans go beyond the people they get through the gate?

Greed ruins everything.

Matt01 · 03-31-2012, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Eden

"It's not necessarily the surface per se but the balls. The balls get so big and so fluffy even after a warm-up that for an attacking, fast-court type player, it's extremely hard to play those guys.

Another reason why this thread is a big fail

manadrainer · 03-31-2012, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Start da Game

nadal would himself like the surfaces faster.....his top spin forehands won't sit up to get spanked on fast courts and his serve slides away on slick surfaces making it more difficult.....he is at his best when on the run and defending.....slow surfaces don't benefit him as much as people think.....

he is a player who got rid of karlovic on fast grass of queen's club as early as in 2007.....he will still have some trouble returning players like karlovic on fast courts but he proved in the past that with sustained match play on fast courts, he is capable of winning.....

for nadal if the court is faster,

serve: asset

ros: liability which can be overcome upon practice and match play.....

forehand: asset

backhand: real asset, they will push him to pass off that wing and
he's at his best doing that.....if you give him time, he will dump it in the net......

attack: neutral

defense: should we even talk about the greatest retriever ever's defense?

I don't know if this makes much sense, since Rafa has won the majority of his titles on slow, high-bouncing surfaces.

Take Cincinnati for example, I don't think Rafa has even made the final there so far, and that's the fastest you can get nowadays...

rocketassist · 03-31-2012, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt01

Another reason why this thread is a big fail

Behave.

Arkin · 03-31-2012, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by manadrainer

I don't know if this makes much sense, since Rafa has won the majority of his titles on slow, high-bouncing surfaces.

Take Cincinnati for example, I don't think Rafa has even made the final there so far, and that's the fastest you can get nowadays...

yep
only m1000 where he never the final i think