[Sound2k10]

Originally Posted by MuzzahLovah

Thanks for this, they always forget.

Tell me about it. Far too many people underrate the difficulty of the 1st grand slam, nevermind when you play Federer Federer Djokovic and have as much pressure on you as Murray.

[Fed_Ds]

Originally Posted by Sound2k10

Results and being good enough are two seperate entities.

And let's not forget how lucky Djokovic, Nadal and Federer were in their 1st Grand Slam:

Federer gets Mark Philippoussis, ranked 48. His 2nd he gets Marat Safin, ranked 96th.
Nadal gets Mariano Puerta, ranked 37th.
Djokovic gets Tsonga, ranked 38th.

Murrays gets anywhere near as much luck as them and he'd have 3+ slams by now.

Yeah the same Tsonga who beat Murray in the 1st round of the same tournament lol

[Sound2k10]

Originally Posted by Fed_Ds

Yeah the same Tsonga who beat Murray in the 1st round of the same tournament lol

You really don't get it, do you?

I'm talking purely about finals. Yes, Tsonga was playing very well, but the truth is he was ranked 38th in the world. Had Andy Murray gotten a player ranked 38th in the world in one of his finals, on form or not, he would have won.

[ossie]

Originally Posted by Sound2k10

You really don't get it, do you?

I'm talking purely about finals. Yes, Tsonga was playing very well, but the truth is he was ranked 38th in the world. Had Andy Murray gotten a player ranked 38th in the world in one of his finals, on form or not, he would have won.

not if that 38th ranked person would have beaten him in the first round

[Nole fan]

Originally Posted by ossie

not if that 38th ranked person would have beaten him in the first round

Exactly. Tsonga was a hot young player pulling up the ranks. He played a superb tournament and also beat an in form Nadal. Also, Nole had to beat Federer to get to the final.

[Sound2k10]

Originally Posted by Nole fan

Exactly. Tsonga was a hot young player pulling up the ranks. He played a superb tournament and also beat an in form Nadal. Also, Nole had to beat Federer to get to the final.

I think a few people don't actually understand what I've been saying.

[Mountaindewslave]

Originally Posted by oracle

LMAO. He quickly forgot what he said in paragraph 1 and completely contradicts by paragraph 2. This is what drugs will do...

hahha i know it is incredible the dude says one moment that it's just about strength and talent in tennis as though that is to explain why Murray doesn't win on the big stage when Murray has strength and talent. he then mentions it's not mentality which is truly why the top players do so well. and then at the end he asks who you would rather have on a street fight, Djokovic or Murray, when obviously Murray would be the choice given he is bigger and stronger.... which contradicts his criticism for Murray. strange very strange.

as to this thread, Murray is not as good player as Nadal or Federer which explains why he feels inferior on court and somewhat meek. not surprising, if you're fire coming to a fight against water there is no reason to act too boastful or aggressive when it's pretty obvious you're going to lose

[BigJohn]

Originally Posted by paseo

"My Say"?

[Punky]

Originally Posted by Kat_YYZ

he didn't lose to Federer or Nadal in Indian Wells. He lost to Garcia-Lopez.

Murray didn't seem overwhelmed while beating Federer in the 2010 Shanghai final, or bagelling Nadal in Tokyo. He was cool as a cucumber. His problem doesn't come from his attitude towards other players, but from how he feels about himself.

true words, i totally agree!!

The bottom line andy hasn't won a slam is because he is not good enough.

[Time Violation]

Originally Posted by Sound2k10

I think a few people don't actually understand what I've been saying.

You are saying Murray would've had far better chance beating Tsonga in the finals, than in the R1. Well, that's only an assumption... and it works both ways - if Murray met Tsonga in the finals, maybe Tsonga would have had one slam at least by now, possibly more.

[pray-for-palestine-and-israel]

murray HAS won a slam

on top spin 4 (almost as good as the real thing)

[Gabe32]

He just isn't good enough yet, I think. Also, he mentally collapses. I don't think it is because he gives too much respect to certain players. I think it is the whole weight of an entire nation(s) on his shoulders.

The guy folds like a Murphy bed. They should actually call it a Murray bed.

[Shinoj]

Originally Posted by Nole fan

This is exactly what happened to Nole these last years. He didn't believe he was as good as them so he unconsciously submitted to them. In 2008 he thought he would be the next number 1 and he played a fearless game, and was confident and brash enough to defy Federer on and off court, he had that young brash careless attitude. Showing too much admiration or respect is wrong.

Exactly.As i spoke to you earlier. Nole was very good talented and upcoming player. And i thought at that time that he would rule the Tennis world but somehow it didnt happen. So Nole exactly had the same problem that Murray is having now.

Honestly why should Murray even bother about what federer and Nadal have done in the past. And if you check out the pressers Federer clearly plays Mind games with Murray saying things like. Murray is improving. Murray has gone past that stage where he feels Grand Slams are all what defies a player. In someway he acts as if he is some kindof Mentor to Murray whereas by showing some "CARE" about Murray he clearly wants to continue as an agressor to Murray.Olderer looks Mentally weak against Nadal but clearly he does plays Mind Games.

If I was Murray i would retort back in a Presser. Federer YOUR ASS IS NEXT.