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Old 03-07-2012, 09:33 PM   #31
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we can also say it like. 2004 to 2006 is the battle of Roger vs transitions number ones.

2007 and beyond were Roger vs the next generation of number ones and should I say dominant number ones.
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Old 03-07-2012, 09:33 PM   #32
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Rafa and Nole will always be remembered as the homogenized champions who had all GS surfaces catered to their every whim.
All I know is, both players are playing on the same court every match.
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Old 03-07-2012, 10:31 PM   #33
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Watch the match Fed vs Blake in 2006 final.

It's become clay now.

Why the hell no one wonder why Nadal & Nole both start winning things in 2008?
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Old 03-07-2012, 10:38 PM   #34
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Watch the match Fed vs Blake in 2006 final.

It's become clay now.

Why the hell no one wonder why Nadal & Nole both start winning things in 2008?
nadal won IW in 07 I think.

and could the answer to your question be - because thats when they reached their prime?
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Default Re: What's the difference between IW 04-06 and IW nowadays?

Their prime+new surfaces.

I didn't say Nad&Nole can't win on fast courts but the slow surfaces are a huge advantage.

Why did Nadal have enough time to chase the balls on a hard court?
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Their prime+new surfaces.

I didn't say Nad&Nole can't win on fast courts but the slow surfaces are a huge advantage.

Why did Nadal have enough time to chase the balls on a hard court?
you mean in general? well slower surface speed certainly helps a player like him I dont think there is any dilemma about that. but nadal improved tremendously, he adapted, and he was lucky here and there, which is normal when you push for it. so all in all, I dont think there is any asterisks in his wins. conditions change, they favor some over other and still, usually the 'best' comes on top. laver won slams playing on the same surface and I bet he didnt alter between styles did he? nobody shitting in his face coz of it.
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Rafa and Nole will always be remembered as the homogenized champions who had all GS surfaces catered to their every whim.
very true , that was one of the great reasons and federer`s age.

bigmarat talk about multiple slam winners , but djokovic before australian open 2011only had 1 slam , he started to won much more when federer has 30 years old and he is not a great great opponent in slams anymore like he was in 2003-2007 because age ,physical condition and slow courts in slams.
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Old 03-07-2012, 11:31 PM   #38
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nadal won IW in 07 I think.

and could the answer to your question be - because thats when they reached their prime?
Or is it because that's when Fed started to decline?
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Old 03-07-2012, 11:33 PM   #39
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Default Re: What's the difference between IW 04-06 and IW nowadays?

Court speed hasn't changed much. Obviously IW/Miami typically favor the younger athletic players. Federer was obviously the best athlete on hardcourt (along with Hewitt) during his prime years, and hence you saw a lot of wins there. After 07, it became clear that Rafa had become the best athlete, and now its Djokovic.

Having said that, even in Fed's peak, these slow outdoor hards were never his favorite surface. The heat/wind/bad bounces and so forth has never been ideal for a guy who lives and dies off shot timing. You'd see him underhit a lot in order to avoid mistakes, and he relied on his defense a lot more.
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Has nothing to do with top dogs. Olderer playing on faster courts has huge advantage because he has the best serve out of murray/nadal/djoke. If every hc masters 1000 had dubai surface he would have many more of them
The serve helps, sure, but I don't think that's the main explanation. The main explanation is that faster courts with lower bounces suit Federers ground game much more than it does his competitors.
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Old 03-08-2012, 07:02 AM   #41
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but nadal improved tremendously, he adapted
not as much as many people have said because they needed to write an explanation for someone who was presented like a "claycourt player", a "Muster-bis", to win on grass and hardcourts.

In the context of analysts presenting (or having lived) tennis as it was in the 90s, an easy explanation was needed to be popularized for the public.

Even the improvement is not as visible as some people think if you watch Nadal-Fed's semifinal in WTF 2006.

the main change on hardcourts is not that much that he plays "flatter" but that he plays deeper balls.
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Watch the match Fed vs Blake in 2006 final.

It's become clay now.
It's a bit misleading between those two. When you have two early ball-strikers, it can make the sport look like table tennis.

Fed 07: "..... Indian Wells has always been very famous for being quite slow, I think."

Hewitt 06: "Just felt slow conditions out there, really heavy. The balls were fluffing up a lot, you know, after a couple games. When the balls were getting older and older, it just felt like it was hard to crack an egg out there."

Fed 2005: "Well, you know, there's many, many Argentines around, good ones. I think it's a good surface for them. I think I played Chela here last year. It's quite slow, so they've got time to grind from the baseline."
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I'm not so sure about IW...but I KNOW that MIAMI / Key Biscaine was the Fastest or one of the fastest Masters tournaments...up to 06...Last year was a the slowest HC in the history of tenis - hence the outcome of the Fed-Nadal match where he was disgusted with the court and himself...
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