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Old 02-15-2012, 03:17 PM   #91
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If a let cord turns into a winning shot, it is because the shot was good enough to go over the net despite the fact that it hit the net. Luck has nothing to do with it. If the ball does not go over the net it is because the shot was not hit well enough to do so, whether it hit the net or not.
it's partly true but you go too far imo in the idea that "you always get what you deserve".

Players can't have so much control, there's of course some luck involved (whoever the player I don't say that about Djokovic ; Fed, as I said before, and even Nadal -I remember some very important points where his ball hardly touched the line- have been lucky at times)
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Old 02-15-2012, 03:22 PM   #92
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no luck. nole has worked very hard for his success. and he has been paying his dues over the years to fed and the clay warrior.
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Old 02-15-2012, 05:44 PM   #93
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Was just thinking how many times in a row he just lucked it out in mega huge ocasions -

USO semi final 2011
USO semi final 2010
AO semi final 2012 (he was *5-5 15-40 in 5th set)
AO final 2012 (*2-4 15-30, easy passing missed Rafa, 5th set)

In 4 occasions he's just a point away of losing. He plays most these crucial points in a great way, but to be honest this kind of successive crucial points saving doesn't happen to everyone.

No deterioration of Nole's success, just thinking about how one point in all those 4 matches (maybe more than 4, can't remember) could have made his impressive run look totally different.
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Some luck indeed here, no?
In all these occasions you can say that Novak had luck ag Federer in USO semi 2011 - yet again he read Fed's serve perfectly and later Federer choked. In USo semi 2010 he served to stay in match so all was in his hands. This year AO he was never point away of losing - Murray still had to convert break points and serve it out - maybe Novak choked here cause he was serving for the match at 5-3 and with that Rafa's easy miss he still needed to win next point only to be 5:3 up.

Again in several occasions he was 'unlucky' (or choked if you want) like in USO final 2007 when he had several set points to win first 2 sets, last RG SF when he netted easy forehand winner to come back in 4th set TB or Bejing Olympics when he missed easy smash and in numerous other matches when gifted (choked) his victory to inferior ('lucky') opponent.

I cannot count anymore but as someone said his 'luck' is deserved and evened with 'luck' his opponents had against him.
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Old 02-15-2012, 06:23 PM   #94
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All luck this faker. Can't believe he won 5 slams.
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Its not just luck nole has big balls if fed had noles balls he would be unbeatable
But Nole is already unbeatable so we don't have to imagine anything when the reality is here. On the other hand , Federer was owned by a 17 year old Rafa Nadal
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Well, a little bit of luck at last 2 grand slams but he absolutely deserved it
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Old 02-15-2012, 08:55 PM   #97
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Was just thinking how many times in a row he just lucked it out in mega huge ocasions -

USO semi final 2011
USO semi final 2010
AO semi final 2012 (he was *5-5 15-40 in 5th set)
AO final 2012 (*2-4 15-30, easy passing missed Rafa, 5th set)

In 4 occasions he's just a point away of losing. He plays most these crucial points in a great way, but to be honest this kind of successive crucial points saving doesn't happen to everyone.

No deterioration of Nole's success, just thinking about how one point in all those 4 matches (maybe more than 4, can't remember) could have made his impressive run look totally different.

Some luck indeed here, no?

Dear neighbor,

Nole's tennis is based on pure luck, no two ways about it. I believe that you thought deeply about the issue and came up with an error-free conclusion. Bravo for clear reasoning.

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Old 02-15-2012, 09:25 PM   #98
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Luck has nothing to do with Nole's success.

We the audience are lucky to watch him perform however.

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Old 02-15-2012, 09:27 PM   #99
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I've never seen Nole live because I'm too much of a peasant to buy RLA tickets.

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If a let cord turns into a winning shot, it is because the shot was good enough to go over the net despite the fact that it hit the net. Luck has nothing to do with it. If the ball does not go over the net it is because the shot was not hit well enough to do so, whether it hit the net or not.
If the shot was good enough, it would not have hit the net.

Do you play sports? I'm not saying that luck is the only factor, it's a big factor. Skill (talent, physical, mental), is of course a bigger factor than luck. But when the skills are almost even, like top players today, a lot of time it was decided by luck. Daily form also depends a lot on luck. Sometimes your game just doesn't click one day, and in full flight in the next.

No lucky club player will ever beat a serious prime Djokovic. Unless Djokovic rolled his ankle mid-match. If that happens, what do you call it? Djokovic was not good enough, because if he was, he would never hurt his ankle?
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again, with all respect, Nadal did not choke at all. Djokovic simply played better. Nadal played great. yes, the match was very close but it has nothing to do with luck. Novak outplayed Rafa and that's it.

with all due respect-

that miss nadal made- would he have missed that same shot against any other player in tennis?

i say no, then its a choke- he choked because nole has got to him

yes nole out played him, he has outplayed everyone on tour- but a choke is a choke
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with all due respect-

that miss nadal made- would he have missed that same shot against any other player in tennis?

i say no, then its a choke- he choked because nole has got to him

yes nole out played him, he has outplayed everyone on tour- but a choke is a choke
well, it's 2 great players against one another. Nadal is not a choker, he is a fighter. yes I know it must be hard for rafa to deal with Nole but that's sport.
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There certainly is luck involved in every sport, and there is no doubting Djokovic has gotten the better of it last year and to start this year. But you have to credit him for alot of that "luck", he made it happen!
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You might get lucky with a point here or there, with DRS here or there since it's not 100% accurate, however you are not lucky winning 2 sets or 3 in Grand Slams to win matches and then tournaments.

I do believe you get lucky here or there, but in a sport of this nature, the best player ALWAYS wins the match and the best player at that time wins the tournament.
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