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Re: Would Murray have defeated Nadal in AO12?
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That was yeaaars ago, Nadal is a much, much better hardcourt player now. And Murray, well, he's gotten worse  |
Not really, if Rafa wasn't hindered by fatigue in USO'08, and hadn't been slumping during AO'10 -- he would have kicked his ass the same (whether or not Murray has improved his game).
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02-12-2012, 02:28 PM
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Re: Would Murray have defeated Nadal in AO12?
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Not really, if Rafa wasn't hindered by fatigue in USO'08, and hadn't been slumping during AO'10 -- he would have kicked his ass the same (whether or not Murray has improved his game).
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USO 08 was a completely fair win, quit it with that shit.
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02-12-2012, 02:31 PM
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Re: Would Murray have defeated Nadal in AO12?
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USO 08 was a completely fair win, quit it with that shit.
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He was tired though seriously, you noobs can't admit that. Murray lucked his way to the final in US Open 2008.....but I think he earned his runs to the finals in AO 10 and 11.
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02-12-2012, 02:32 PM
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Re: Would Murray have defeated Nadal in AO12?
Until otherwise I take any top 10 opponent over Murray in a slam final .So no he wouldnt win ,might fluke a set out though
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02-12-2012, 02:33 PM
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Re: Would Murray have defeated Nadal in AO12?
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Not really, if Rafa wasn't hindered by fatigue in USO'08, and hadn't been slumping during AO'10 -- he would have kicked his ass the same (whether or not Murray has improved his game).
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02-12-2012, 02:35 PM
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Well, it's the truth.... he was tired and injured  . |
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02-12-2012, 02:35 PM
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Re: Would Murray have defeated Nadal in AO12?
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He was tired though seriously, you noobs can't admit that. Murray lucked his way to the final in US Open 2008.....but I think he earned his runs to the finals in AO 10 and 11.
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In the penultimate point when he got battered all over the court he did look totally out of breath, but besides that, he was fine. Get over it.
A more key factor was the first two sets being on the much faster Armstrong court which favoured Andy.
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02-12-2012, 02:36 PM
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oh cmon Nadal got injured at the start of set 3 .He got his ass handed in sets 1 and 2 .That match would have been won regardless since Murray did take the first 2 sets when Nadal wasnt injured
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Dude I was talking about Rafa's slump, not his injury -- I know that wasn't the reason why he lost overall. But like I said, I think Murray deserved his run at the AO 2010, and even AO 2011 because he played some great tennis there.
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02-12-2012, 02:37 PM
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In the penultimate point when he got battered all over the court he did look totally out of breath, but besides that, he was fine. Get over it.
A more key factor was the first two sets being on the much faster Armstrong court which favoured Andy.
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Dude he was down a break in the 3rd set during Armstrong anyway, so all Rafa had to do was keeping holding serve which he did. But that's not the point. The point is, Murray won that match with a bit of luck on his side that Rafa wasn't physically 100%.
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02-12-2012, 02:38 PM
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Dude I was talking about Rafa's slump, not his injury -- I know that wasn't the reason why he lost overall. But like I said, I think Murray deserved his run at the AO 2010, and even AO 2011 because he played some great tennis there.
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Murray probably played his best match ever vs Nadal at the US Open back in 2008 yet he still didn't deserve a place in the final? 
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02-12-2012, 02:38 PM
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Re: Would Murray have defeated Nadal in AO12?
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Exactly, that's why he is the best 
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02-12-2012, 02:41 PM
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Murray probably played his best match ever vs Nadal at the US Open back in 2008 yet he still didn't deserve a place in the final? |
Jason come on man ... he almost lost to Melzer and struggled against Llodra....and del Potro had a break up in all the sets I think . And that was pretty obvious because he got thrashed by Fed in the final  . Fed did play pretty good though, but still, if Muza was in any good form there, he would have made it a bit more competitive.
Anyways I think he played better against Rafa in AO'10, because I truly think that despite Rafa struggling with his form, Murray was clearly the better player and deserved to win that. But I ain't saying he didn't deserve his SF win in US'08, just saying he needed a bit of luck to get through that one is all  .
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02-12-2012, 02:43 PM
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Re: Would Murray have defeated Nadal in AO12?
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Jason come on man ... he almost lost to Melzer and struggled against Llodra....and del Potro had a break up in all the sets I think . And that was pretty obvious because he got thrashed by Fed in the final . |
What's your point? Nadal struggled big time vs Isner last year at RG, does that mean he didn't deserve the title there?
If anything the points you just mention makes his run even more impressive, the fact that he was able to perform under huge amounts of pressure and dig out matches just proves that. I mean when a guy hits his fastest serve of all time at 5-5 in a TB when 2 sets to love down you can't say that isn't fucking epic.
I disagree about him playing better at the Australian Open in 2010, US Open 2008 SF Murray was Murray is God form for the most part, hardly anyone would have beaten him.
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What's your point? Nadal struggled big time vs Isner last year at RG, does that mean he didn't deserve the title there?
If anything the points you just mention makes his run even more impressive, the fact that he was able to perform under huge amounts of pressure and dig out matches just proves that. I mean when a guy hits his fastest serve of all time at 5-5 in a TB when 2 sets to love down you can't say that isn't fucking epic.
I disagree about him playing better at the Australian Open in 2010, US Open 2008 SF Murray was Murray is God form for the most part, hardly anyone would have beaten him.
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Re: Would Murray have defeated Nadal in AO12?
No, he would have bottled it once again in a slam final.
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