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Old 02-07-2012, 12:38 PM   #16
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you want the european union to end as well?

to me, that's probably the best cooperation agreement europe has come up with ever. the euro sux and is gonna keep dividing nations, but the union used to work properly over the last decades. you might wanna mix it up a bit, swoop in and reform a few programs or policies, but still, i'm very much in favor of the union.
I wholeheartedly agree, that's why I said the EU as it is.

The freedom of trade and movement the EU has implemented is the cornerstone on which Europe has the potential to unite and progress.

But, as I said in other threads, I believe the whole problem about the European project is that it has largely been done top-down, instead of bottom-up. That is why the whole EU bureaucracy has to be thrown into the bin. The EU needs structural reforms, and it needs them now.
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Armstrong says in-competition testing will never catch anyone, only out-of-competition testing and the blood passport can.

Tennis has no blood passport system, and does basically no out of competition testing.

The methods and drugs used by Armstrong in 1999 would work in tennis right now, with zero chance of being caught (not slightly surprising to anyone familiar with the topic, btw).
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like what? the dissolution of the parliament in its current form? at least that's what i understood from your posts in other threads ("bureaucracy" etc.). what kind of bottom-up approach could be viable in reality? there's just no way around somebody being in the upper echelon trying to organise the huge bunch of different mentalities that is europe.

i think reforming actual policies should be the top priority.
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like what? the dissolution of the parliament in its current form? at least that's what i understood from your posts in other threads ("bureaucracy" etc.). what kind of bottom-up approach could be viable in reality? there's just no way around somebody being in the upper echelon trying to organise the huge bunch of different mentalities that is europe.

i think reforming actual policies should be the top priority.
The whole representative system needs to be torn down and built again from scratch.

Begin by creating single lists for the European Parliament for the whole EU, instead of the current system, where every country votes for their national lists from their national parties, which then get together with affine parties from other countries and form a parliamentary group. Create common European parties/lists and common European candidates.

Make the EU Commission, or however we'd like to call the reformed executive branch, directly elected. This of course problematic, since dual elections are typical of presidentialist or semi-presidentialist systems and the most common system in Europe is the parliamentary one. If my first suggestion is fully undertaken, we can let this one go.

The European citizens cannot feel attached to nor feel they are accountable for the decisions made in Europe and Strasbourg if they don't feel like they have elected the people who are supposed to represent them.

In short, make the EU a European Union with a European agenda, not a gathering of national sides with national agendas playing give and take.
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Armstrong says in-competition testing will never catch anyone, only out-of-competition testing and the blood passport can.

Tennis has no blood passport system, and does basically no out of competition testing.

The methods and drugs used by Armstrong in 1999 would work in tennis right now, with zero chance of being caught (not slightly surprising to anyone familiar with the topic, btw).
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I doubt any candidate will exit the euro, except the extreme right.

Socialists will win unfortunately.
My prediction is that "extreme right" candidate Marine Le Pen will make it to the second round but then the theatrical "Fascist" thread will make her opponent (whoever it'll be) win.

I even doubt either Hollande or Sarkozy will make it to the second round. There's a great political despair in the French population.

But I agree the next President won't exit the euro and that's their tragedy. Once Greece and Portugal had exited it, euro'll be far too high for the French and that will be a disaster.


Actually the French don't just need to exit the Euro but also the EU. Every decision they have to make goes against the Maastricht Treaty and the EU general rules. Concerning their public services, their agriculture, their industry, their foreign policy, their immigration policy, etc. But no candidate suggests that, except very unknown ones.

That's the Gaullist in me speaking.
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People advocating the exit of the euro (for France) are not serious and even quite dangerous. Backlashes of this decision would be terrible for France.
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Won't be shocked to see LePen in second round, some of her positions are appealing to folks who have had enough.


I wonder if Villepin will get his revenge on Sarko and run for the top job.
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The whole representative system needs to be torn down and built again from scratch.

Begin by creating single lists for the European Parliament for the whole EU, instead of the current system, where every country votes for their national lists from their national parties, which then get together with affine parties from other countries and form a parliamentary group. Create common European parties/lists and common European candidates.

Make the EU Commission, or however we'd like to call the reformed executive branch, directly elected. This of course problematic, since dual elections are typical of presidentialist or semi-presidentialist systems and the most common system in Europe is the parliamentary one. If my first suggestion is fully undertaken, we can let this one go.

The European citizens cannot feel attached to nor feel they are accountable for the decisions made in Europe and Strasbourg if they don't feel like they have elected the people who are supposed to represent them.

In short, make the EU a European Union with a European agenda, not a gathering of national sides with national agendas playing give and take.
The EU's biggest flaw is the lack of accountability. The unelected European commission has more power than the elected European Parliament. The easiest solution would be to transfer power from the commission to the parliament so voters can be held responsible for their choices.

Regarding common European parties, they do exist but nobody votes for them. People will always prioritize their family and local surroundings over the common good. There's a reason even national elections consist of many local parties.

In any case, the point of the EU should be free trade and dialogue between neigbouring states, not the creation of a Federal Europe.
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People advocating the exit of the euro (for France) are not serious and even quite dangerous. Backlashes of this decision would be terrible for France.
Euro is dead anyway. Apparently Germany's reprinting marks. They might be the first to exit.

And the situation now is not terrible? 400 suicide a year among farmers, isn't that terrible?



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I wonder if Villepin will get his revenge on Sarko and run for the top job.
He will. 1% according to the latest polls.


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The EU's biggest flaw is the lack of accountability. The unelected European commission has more power than the elected European Parliament. The easiest solution would be to transfer power from the commission to the parliament so voters can be held responsible for their choices.
Euro MP's voted the "Six-Pack" last September, which means they agreed about sanctioning (0.1% of GDP, which means 2 billion € for France) a member state of the Euro zone that does not implement the measures that had been recommended by the Commission.

They're disqualified !
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I think this is the right place to talk about this.

The French Minister of the Interior telling it like it is.

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/not-civilis...024343461.html

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The methods and drugs used by Armstrong in 1999 would work in tennis right now, with zero chance of being caught (not slightly surprising to anyone familiar with the topic, btw).
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I think this is the right place to talk about this.

The French Minister of the Interior telling it like it is.

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/not-civilis...024343461.html
indeed. the type of speech that only idiots, racists or hypocrites could love
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indeed. the type of speech that only idiots, racists or hypocrites could love
Ever so classy.

Monsieur Gueant is not only right, he is obviously right.

Using the example we all have in mind, it is obviously right that the Western civilisation is better than the Muslim one. Not just different, better. Obviously. One need only take the Declaration of Human Rights and do a double-check on all basic rights and freedoms, comparing, since we're at it, France and Saudi Arabia: freedom of speech, freedom of thought and opinion, freedom of religion, freedom of press, democracy and political freedom, equality of all regardless of gender (that's half the human species right there) or sexual orientation. Sexual freedom, rights of minorities, freedom from cruel and unusual punishment, right to have an attorney and a fair trial, abortion rights, right to health care...

Do I need to finish my point? Truth should never be held hostage by modern political correctness or by fear of being labeled racist, or xenophobic, or fascist, or anything else. The truth (the obvious truth) is that civilisations, cultures and societies are not only different, sometimes they are better or worse than others. And if we want to make something to improve the standards of living of human beings we'd be best advised to acknowledge the truth as soon as possible, instead of masking it.
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You are confusing cultures and civilizations Har-Tru. Same error than Guéant did. Some cultures are better than others. Civilizations are different but none is better than an other.
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You are confusing cultures and civilizations Har-Tru. Same error than Guéant did. Some cultures are better than others. Civilizations are different but none is better than an other.
Define civilisation and culture and I have a feeling we'll be holding the same view.

There is a reason why I narrowed down the comparison to two concrete societies.
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culture is when i chop your head off and turn your skull into a beautiful vase. civilisation is when i go to jail for it.
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Culture is a part of the civilization. People, the whole society, the history is part of the civilization. We can't say that a civilization is better than an other one. Culture is a set of values ​​and beliefs of behaviors that define of a society in a specific moment.
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