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Old 01-28-2012, 04:53 AM   #91
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Junior game is so far below where it was when players like Murray were in the juniors and the mens draws at the same time.
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He needs to get into more rallies on Saville's serve, the kid seems to lack any sport of ground game.
agree he doesn't return that good but serve is pretty decent! Lets go 3 rd set
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Luke has stepped his game way up to start the 3rd.
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Junior game is so far below where it was when players like Murray were in the juniors and the mens draws at the same time.
But Murray is an elite talent. He's far more the exception than the rule. And besides, the AO is always by far the weakest junior slam.
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Good effort his rankings will get boosted for sure... good work!
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Aussies are the Canadians' kryptonite in the AO. Milos, Vasek and Filip all lost to one

Great tourny for Filip. Should give him lots of confidence for the rest of the year
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i thought it was a really nice surprise that tsn showed the highlights of filip's loss this morning on sports center.
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It was a good effort for a first showing on a grand stage. Understandable that he must have been more nervous than usual, game probably reflected it.

Would have been nice to get a first GS title for Canada.
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It was a good effort for a first showing on a grand stage. Understandable that he must have been more nervous than usual, game probably reflected it.

Would have been nice to get a first GS title for Canada.
As of now, he is probably the favorite for the US Open in juniors, although that is a long time from now.
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ive been following the juniors a little more than usual and i have to say..it doesnt seem like the field is that great right now.
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ive been following the juniors a little more than usual and i have to say..it doesnt seem like the field is that great right now.
What makes you say that? The field is quite good; hard to judge the whole field by just looking at one match. I agree it wasn't the best, but i attribute it to nerves. At least Peliwo looked stiff as a board.

I've seen some great players - French contingent especially.

or watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJN0XoQPOls

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No I agree that the junior field is much weaker now than in past years. This is going to be the first time in a long while that a Junior wins more than 1 Grand slam in a year.
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Does being a top junior in tennis lead to ATP level success? In this post I am going to look at the statistics surrounding the top 10 boys in each year since 2000 and I am going to look at the junior ranking career highs for the top 25 on the ATP tour.

2000 Top Ten

1 Andy RODDICK (USA) - Career High: 1 - 1 GS, 4 GSF - 30 titles - 589 ATP wins
2 Todor ENEV (BUL) - Career High: 252 - 9 ATP wins
3 Joachim JOHANSSON (SWE) - Career High: 9 - 3 titles - 71 ATP wins
4 Mario ANCIC (CRO) - Career High: 7 - 3 titles - 208 ATP wins
5 Nicolas MAHUT (FRA) - Career High: 40 - 75 ATP wins
6 Ytai ABOUGZIR (USA) - Career High: 929 - 0 ATP or Challenger wins
7 Roman VALENT (SUI) - Career High: 300 - 0 ATP wins
8 Yen-Hsun LU (TPE) - Career High: 30 - 74 ATP wins
9 Adrian CRUCIAT (ROU) - Career High: 148 - 1 ATP win
10 Bruno SOARES (BRA) - Career High: 221 - 2 ATP wins - Doubles CH: 14

2001 Top Ten

1 Gilles MULLER (LUX) - Career High: 42 - 89 ATP wins
2 Janko TIPSAREVIC (SRB) - Career High: 9 - 2 titles - 191 ATP wins
3 Brian DABUL (ARG) - Career High: 82 - 15 ATP wins
4 Robin SODERLING (SWE) - Career High: 4 - 2 GSF - 10 titles - 310 ATP wins
5 Jimmy WANG (TPE) - Career High: 85 - 32 ATP wins
6 Lamine OUAHAB (ALG) - Career High: 114 - 8 ATP wins
7 Alejandro FALLA (COL) - Career High: 58 - 67 ATP wins
8 Roman VALENT (SUI) - Career High: 300 - 0 ATP wins
9 Bruno ECHAGARAY (MEX) - Career High: 156 - 5 ATP wins
10 Florian MAYER (GER) - Career High: 18 - 1 title - 157 ATP wins

2002 Top Ten

1 Richard GASQUET (FRA) - Career High: 7 - 6 titles - 257 ATP wins
2 Marcos BAGHDATIS (CYP) - Career High: 8 - 4 titles - 211 ATP wins
3 Clement MOREL (MON) - Career High: 387 - 0 ATP and Challenger wins
4 Todd REID (AUS) - Career High: 105 - 14 ATP wins
5 Brian DABUL (ARG) - Career High: 82 - 15 ATP wins
6 Brian BAKER (USA) - Career High: 172 - 4 ATP wins
7 Marcel FELDER (URU) - Career High: 227 - 14 ATP wins
8 Lamine OUAHAB (ALG) - Career High: 114 - 8 ATP wins
9 Martin VILARRUBI (URU) - Career High: 405 - 6 ATP wins
10 Steve DARCIS (BEL) - Career High: 44 - 2 titles - 49 ATP wins

2003 Top Ten

1 Marcos BAGHDATIS (CYP) - Career High: 8 - 4 titles - 211 ATP wins
2 Jo-Wilfried TSONGA (FRA) - Career High: 6 - 1 GSF, 8 titles - 193 ATP wins
3 Florin MERGEA (ROU) - Career High: 103 - 4 ATP wins
4 Daniel GIMENO-TRAVER (ESP) - Career High: 52 - 45 ATP wins
5 Sebastian RIESCHICK (GER) - Career High: 199 - 1 ATP win
6 Andy MURRAY (GBR) - Career High: 2 - 3 GSF, 22 titles - 328 ATP wins
7 Brian BAKER (USA) - Career High: 172 - 4 ATP wins
8 Leonardo KIRCHE (BRA) - Career High: 262 - 1 ATP win
9 Alex KUZNETSOV (USA) - Career High: 158 - 4 ATP wins
10 Frederico GIL (POR) - Career High: 62 - 53 ATP wins

2004 Top Ten

1 Gael MONFILS (FRA) - Career High: 7 - 4 titles - 228 ATP wins
2 Eduardo SCHWANK (ARG) - Career High: 48 - 36 ATP wins
3 Brendan EVANS (USA) - Career High: 117 - 6 ATP wins
4 Woong-Sun JUN (KOR) - Career High: 230 - 10 ATP wins
5 Sun-Yong KIM (KOR) - Career High: 620 - 3 ATP wins
6 Mischa ZVEREV (GER) - Career High: 45 - 57 ATP wins
7 Pablo ANDUJAR (ESP) - Career High: 40 - 1 title - 43 ATP wins
8 Scott OUDSEMA (USA) - Career High: 255 - 1 ATP win
9 Lukas LACKO (SVK) - Career High: 60 - 30 ATP wins
10 Rafael AREVALO (ESA) - Career High: 374 - 8 ATP wins

2005 Top Ten

1 Donald YOUNG (USA) - Career High: 39 - 32 ATP wins
2 Marin CILIC (CRO) - Career High: 9 - 6 titles - 188 ATP wins
3 Ryan SWEETING (USA) - Career High: 64 - 1 title - 27 ATP wins
4 Jeremy CHARDY (FRA) - Career High: 32 - 1 title - 83 ATP wins
5 Leonardo MAYER (ARG) - Career High: 51 - 35 ATP wins
6 Robin HAASE (NED) - Career High: 40 - 1 title 64 ATP wins
7 Robin ROSHARDT (SUI) - Career High: 509 - 0 ATP wins, 3 Challenger wins
8 Niels DESEIN (BEL) - Career High: 164 - 0 ATP wins, 20 Challenger wins
9 Thiemo DE BAKKER (NED) - Career High: 40 - 40 ATP wins
10 Andre MIELE (BRA) - Career High: 229 - 0 ATP wins, 23 Challenger wins

2006 Top Ten

1 Thiemo DE BAKKER (NED) - Career High: 40 - 40 ATP wins
2 Nicolas SANTOS (BRA) - Career High: 473 - 0 ATP wins, 1 Challenger win
3 Martin KLIZAN (SVK) - Career High: 86 - 6 ATP wins
4 Jonathan EYSSERIC (FRA) - Career High: 236 - 0 ATP wins, 19 Challenger wins
5 Petru-Alexandru LUNCANU (ROU) - Career High: 304 - 0 ATP wins, 7 Challenger wins
6 Dusan LOJDA (CZE) - Career High: 161 - 0 ATP wins, 48 Challenger wins
7 Alexandre SIDORENKO (FRA) - Career High: 145 - 3 ATP wins
8 Luka BELIC (CRO) - Career High: 808 - 0 ATP and Challenger wins
9 Kellen DAMICO (USA) - Career High: 1361 - 0 ATP and Challenger matchs
10 Pavel CHEKHOV (RUS) - Career High: 189 - 0 ATP, 17 Challenger wins

2007 Top Ten

1 Ricardas BERANKIS (LTU) - Career High: 72 - 18 ATP wins
2 Uladzimir IGNATIK (BLR) - Career High: 153 - 7 ATP wins
3 Matteo TREVISAN (ITA) - Career High: 267 - 0 ATP wins, 26 Challenger wins
4 Jonathan EYSSERIC (FRA) - Career High: 236 - 0 ATP wins, 19 Challenger wins
5 Fernando ROMBOLI (BRA) - Career High: 236 - 0 ATP wins, 12 Challenger wins
6 Stephane PIRO (FRA) - Career High: 931 - 0 ATP & Challenger matches
7 Thomas FABBIANO (ITA) - Career High: 275 - 0 ATP wins, 21 Challenger wins
8 Roman JEBAVY (CZE) - Career High: 423 - 0 ATP & Challenger wins
9 Ricardo URZUA-RIVERA (CHI) - Career High: 766 - 0 ATP & Challenger wins
10 John-Patrick SMITH (AUS) - Career High: 456 - 0 ATP wins, 5 Challenger wins

2008 Top Ten

1 Tsung-Hua YANG (TPE) - Career High: 170 - 3 ATP wins
2 Yuki BHAMBRI (IND) - Career High: 310 - 3 ATP wins
3 Bernard TOMIC (AUS) - Career High: 24 ATP wins
4 Henri KONTINEN (FIN) - Career High: 220 - 7 ATP wins
5 Cedrik-Marcel STEBE (GER) - Career High: 81 - 4 ATP wins
6 Guillaume RUFIN (FRA) - Career High: 139 - 5 ATP wins
7 Cesar RAMIREZ (MEX) - Career High: 431 - 5 ATP wins
8 Jose PEREIRA (BRA) - Career High: 444 - 0 ATP wins & 3 Challenger wins
9 David GOFFIN (BEL) - Career High: 168 - 4 ATP wins
10 Mirza BASIC (BIH) - Career High: 288 - 0 ATP wins & 3 Challenger wins

2009 Top Ten

1 Daniel BERTA (SWE) - Career High: 642 - 0 ATP wins & 1 Challenger win
2 Gianni MINA (FRA) - Career High: 395 - 0 ATP wins & 1 Challenger win
3 Agustin VELOTTI (ARG) - Career High: 306 - 0 ATP wins & 8 Challenger wins
4 Jason KUBLER (AUS) - Career High: 528 - 0 ATP & Challenger wins
5 Julien OBRY (FRA) - Career High: 291 - 0 ATP wins & 1 Challenger win
6 Mitchell FRANK (USA) - Career High: 623 - 0 ATP & Challenger matches
7 Liang-Chi HUANG (TPE) - Career High: 629 - 0 ATP & Challenger matches
8 Andrea COLLARINI (USA) - Career High: 470 - 0 ATP & Challenger wins
9 Pierre-Hugues HERBERT (FRA) - Career High: 205 - 0 ATP wins & 5 Challenger wins
10 Andrey KUZNETSOV (RUS) - Career High: 163 - 4 ATP wins

2010 Top Ten

1 Juan Sebastian GOMEZ (COL) - Career High: 515 - 0 ATP wins, 2 Challenger wins
2 Marton FUCSOVICS (HUN) - Career High: 575 - 1 ATP win
3 Jiri VESELY (CZE) - Career High: 515 - 0 ATP wins, 0 Challenger wins
4 Damir DZUMHUR (BIH) - Career High: 339 - 2 ATP wins
5 Dominic THIEM (AUT) - Career High: 635 - 1 ATP wins
6 Tiago FERNANDES (BRA) - Career High: 371 - 0 ATP wins, 9 Challenger wins
7 Roberto QUIROZ (ECU) - Career High: 776 - 0 ATP wins, 0 Challenger wins
8 Duilio BERETTA (PER) - Career High: 364 - 4 ATP wins
9 Agustin VELOTTI (ARG) - Career High: 306 - 0 ATP wins & 8 Challenger wins
10 Mate PAVIC (CRO) - Career High: 834 - 0 ATP wins, 0 Challenger wins

2011 Top Ten

1 Jiri VESELY (CZE) - Career High: 515 - 0 ATP wins, 0 Challenger wins
2 Luke SAVILLE (AUS) - Career High: 1171 - 0 ATP wins, 0 Challenger wins
3 Oliver GOLDING (GBR) - Career High: 643 - 0 ATP wins, 1 Challenger wins
4 Dominic THIEM (AUT) - Career High: 635 - 1 ATP wins
5 Bjorn FRATANGELO (USA) - Career High: 783 - 0 ATP wins, 0 Challenger wins
6 Hugo DELLIEN (BOL) - Career High: 1037 - 1 ATP wins
7 Thiago MONTEIRO (BRA) - Career High: 677 - 0 ATP wins, 0 Challenger wins
8 Filip HORANSKY (SVK) - Career High: 881 - 0 ATP wins, 0 Challenger wins
9 Liam BROADY (GBR) - Career High: 656 - 0 ATP wins, 0 Challenger wins
10 Patrick OFNER (AUT) - Career High: 1505 - 0 ATP wins, 0 Challenger wins


The first thing I notice, being a top 10 junior does not lead to success, it does not even lead to a spot in the top 100. From 2000 to 2006, only 35 out of 70 top 10 junior players made the top 100, or 50%. Only one has won a grand slam and been ranked number 1 and that is Andy Roddick. Only 10 have reached the top ten out of 110 former top juniors. Looking at all of the years, 2005 is clearly the top year, with 4 players winning titles and 7 players in the top 100 while 2006 is the weakest year with only top ranked Thiemo de Bakker and Martin Klizan reaching the top 100.

It is interesting to see the progression of juniors. Any junior before 2006 has most likely reached around his peak, but if you look at 2007, most of the players are just starting to perform on the challenger tour and get some wins, while the 2008 generation is just starting to get a win here and there on the ATP tour but for the most part are working on their games in challenger tour. The 2009 generation is mostly still on the futures tour with many players getting their first challenger tour win recently and the 2010 and 2011 juniors are still on the futures tour.

To extrapolate, a top junior in 2012 would be expected to player on the futures tour in 2013 and 2014 before moving to the challenger tour in 2015 before hopefully finding his way to the ATP tour for 2016. It is starting to become a long road for a player to go from junior to ATP.

Luke Saville will be a two time top ten member by the time he is done his junior career. The other players to achieve this honour are Roman Valent, Lamine Ouahab, Brian Dabul, Marcos Baghdatis, Brian Baker, Jonathan Eysseric, Augstin Velotti and Jiri Vesely. So far, there are a few players in that group that we are not sure how they will do, but besides Baghdatis, not too many big names. He may also end this year ranked number 1 and if he does, he will join pretty good company. Of the players that have developed to a point where we know where they are, number one ranked juniors tend to have a successful pro career.

If we look at today's top 20 and see their career high ranking in singles (combined if required) as a junior the list would be the following:


1 Novak Djokovic - Junior Career High: 34
2 Rafael Nadal - Junior Career High: 145
3 Roger Federer - Junior Career High: 1
4 Andy Murray - Junior Career High: 2
5 David Ferrer - Junior Career High: Unranked
6 Jo-Wilfrid Tsonga - Junior Career High: 2
7 Tomas Berdych - Junior Career High: 6
8 Mardy Fish - Junior Career High: 14
9 Janko Tipsarevic - Junior Career High: 1
10 Juan Martin Del Potro - Junior Career High: 3
11 Nicholas Almagro - Junior Career High: 18
12 Gilles Simon - Junior Career High: 242
13 Gael Monfils - Junior Career High: 1
14 Robin Soderling - Junior Career High: 2
15 Feliciano Lopez - Junior Career High: 46
16 Richard Gasquet - Junior Career High: 1
17 John Isner - Junior Career High: 93
18 Alexander Dolgopolov - Junior Career High: 21
19 Andy Roddick - Junior Career High: 1
20 Kei Nishikori - Junior Career High: 7

One thing stands out right away. World number 5 David Ferrer was not ranked as a junior tennis player. He never qualified for a junior event in singles. Not even a low G5 event and now he has had a career high of 4 in the world. Also, Gilles Simon never cracked the top 240 in juniors, yet is a tough player to play today who has made the top 10. Once I get past the initial surprise, I am not surprised to see that over half of the top 20 players in the world were once ranked in the junior top ten. A few of the others such as Novak Djokovic and Rafael Nadal did not have a junior career because they were too busy already playing on the ATP tour. Roger Federer managed to be ranked as the top player in juniors and the pros. Only Andy Roddick has also done that since the year 2000.

The top players will succeed with or without junior tennis
but outside of the top few players, most players in today's
top 20 were ranked in the top 10 in juniors.
So what can I take from all of these numbers? To become a top ranked player, odds suggest that you were once a top 10 junior player. However, being a top ranked junior player does not necessarily lead to success on the ATP tour. Between 2000 and 2006, 50% of top ten juniors never made the top 100 of the ATP tour. The high end talent on in juniors did often go onto to have a successful career but a player ranked between 7 to 10 in the year end juniors rankings was much less likely to crack the top 100. This year will be interesting to see who finishes at the top of the junior rankings and to look ahead down the road to project when they will mature into their games and being members of the ATP tour.

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