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View Poll Results: Why hasn't a male player won a GS for almost 30 years?

Structural problem in french tennis 3 4.84%
Lack of luck 8 12.90%
Just not good enough 18 29.03%
All mental midgets 33 53.23%
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Old 01-23-2012, 12:04 PM   #16
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France have 4 players that have been in the top 10 at some point in the last few years (Tsonga, Monfils, Simon, Gasquet) yet only Tsonga is there at the moment. Those four clearly have the potential to be right at the top of the game but lack the consistency and tactical awareness to make the most of their abilities. Therefore, I went for option 4.
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Old 01-23-2012, 12:09 PM   #17
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France have 4 players that have been in the top 10 at some point in the last few years (Tsonga, Monfils, Simon, Gasquet) yet only Tsonga is there at the moment. Those four clearly have the potential to be right at the top of the game but lack the consistency and tactical awareness to make the most of their abilities. Therefore, I went for option 4.
Players like rainer schutler, fish, tipsarevic or robredo also made the top 10 at least once in their career but they never were contenders for big titles.
Making the top 10 hardly means anything nowadays.
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Old 01-23-2012, 12:11 PM   #18
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We seem to get this thread after every GS, and the answer is still the same. Hardly anyone wins a slam. Federer, Nadal, Djokovic and Del Potro (once) are the only recent winners. It so happens none of them are French.

Why is this so surprising?

Look at the results Murray has had in terms of his record against top 10 players, MS titles, the fact his best surface is hard courts (=2 slams on hard), and yet you still can't say it is that surprising he has not won one. There are 3 players who are better than him. Sometimes he beats one then loses to another. C'est la vie.

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Old 01-23-2012, 12:23 PM   #19
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It´s a mix bag.

You have Tsonga, that has been really unfortunate with injuries and Monfils that also had some injuries, but for the most part clearly doesn´t know how to use his talent and potential. A mental wreck.

As for Gasquet, he simply doesn´t have the power game to crack the Top4´s game. In the 80/90´s he would find sucess. Not in this era.
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I don't see any problem with French tennis.

11 guys in top 100

4 of them in top 20.

If the French have a problem in tennis, what should the States, Italy, Russia or Germany say....
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No magic potion maybe?
also this of course

french tennis players could get some of it accorss their south western border
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All these players are talented and have a big potential, no doubt. But hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard.
That is why Ferrer is a multiple GS winner.

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French tennis has the best mix of characters and variety of game styles bar none. Which makes them fascinating to follow, even if they don't rack up slams.
This, but the OP does his usual ranting after a defeat from Richard.
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I don't see any problem with French tennis.

11 guys in top 100

4 of them in top 20.

If the French have a problem in tennis, what should the States, Italy, Russia or Germany say....
States, Russia and Germany have won Slams in the last 25 years (and plenty for US and Russia) despite tennis being a far less important game than in France (second most practiced sport in France behind Soccer, i repeat) so sorry but those countries's problems are far less important than France's problem (it just happens that they now know a small period without any outstanding player).
Italy??? Tennis is far less important than in France and it can be seen both in term of number of registered players and money invested in tennis.
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That is why Ferrer is a multiple GS winner.



This, but the OP does his usual ranting after a defeat from Richard.
Actually, i was far more disappointed by Tsonga's defeat.
I didn't expect anything from Gasquet as we now know he'll never do anything in his career apart perhaps winning another 250.
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States, Russia and Germany have won Slams in the last 25 years (and plenty for US and Russia) despite tennis being a far less important game than in France (second most practiced sport in France behind Soccer, i repeat) so sorry but those countries's problems are far less important than France's problem (it just happens that they now know a small period without any outstanding player).
Italy??? Tennis is far less important than in France and it can be seen both in term of number of registered players and money invested in tennis.
In terms of last 25 years, Mauresmo has 2 slams, Llodra/Santoro have 2, Llodra/Clement 1, Davis cup team - 2 cups

Just to name a few successes from the top of my head.


The French players are where they can be, the problem is in the expectations of the French fans.

Just like with the football NT, which won World and Euro tittle, so now they are in "big crisis", the same goes with French tennis.

Crisis is in the eyes of the mass, who can't appreciate what it has.
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In terms of last 25 years, Mauresmo has 2 slams, Llodra/Santoro have 2, Llodra/Clement 1, Davis cup team - 2 cups

Just to name a few successes from the top of my head.


The French players are where they can be, the problem is in the expectations of the French fans.

Just like with the football NT, which won World and Euro tittle, so now they are in "big crisis", the same goes with French tennis.

Crisis is in the eyes of the mass, who can't appreciate what it has.
That's clearly not comparable firstly because soccer is number one sport in a huge amount of countries (so more competition) and secondly because at least in soccer, we won big titles in the last 30 years (1 Euro in 1984,another one in 2000 and of course a WC in 1998) which is very impressive considering those competitions occur every 4 years.
It's been almost 120 slams since the last time a french male player won a Slam......not quite the same degree of underachievement.
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States, Russia and Germany have won Slams in the last 25 years (and plenty for US and Russia) despite tennis being a far less important game than in France (second most practiced sport in France behind Soccer, i repeat) so sorry but those countries's problems are far less important than France's problem (it just happens that they now know a small period without any outstanding player).
Italy??? Tennis is far less important than in France and it can be seen both in term of number of registered players and money invested in tennis.
The thing is that you can invest a lot of money and have a proper system for developing players, but that doesn't guarantee winning a slam. What it tends to result in is a lot of good players and a lot of depth, but the gap between a good player and someone like Federer, Djokovic or Nadal is something that can't be bought with money. These guys are just special cases. They have that extra element which can't be taught (whether it's natural athletic ability, mentality, or whatever).

The French have been unlucky in the sense that even though they've developed a lot of good players (Tsonga, Simon, Monfils, Gasquet) none of them have had that extra element that has taken them to the top of the game. You can't train someone to be the next Federer, you can only get them so far and then you're hoping that they have that extra "something" that can take them from being a good player to a great one.
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Old 01-23-2012, 02:41 PM   #29
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The thing is that you can invest a lot of money and have a proper system for developing players, but that doesn't guarantee winning a slam. What it tends to result in is a lot of good players and a lot of depth, but the gap between a good player and someone like Federer, Djokovic or Nadal is something that can't be bought with money. These guys are just special cases. They have that extra element which can't be taught (whether it's natural athletic ability, mentality, or whatever).

The French have been unlucky in the sense that even though they've developed a lot of good players (Tsonga, Simon, Monfils, Gasquet) none of them have had that extra element that has taken them to the top of the game. You can't train someone to be the next Federer, you can only get them so far and then you're hoping that they have that extra "something" that can take them from being a good player to a great one.
There is a difference though beetween getting to the top of the game and winning a Slam.
French tennis fans would already be over the moon if one of their players just won a Slam, let alone became number one.
There have been many "good" players in the last 30 years who have won Slams, not necessarly great ones like Fed,Nadal,Djoker,Agassi or Sampras.

By the way, i perfectly understand what you mean.
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I've heard a lot about many reasons why French players never were number 1 and have not won a slam for 30 years : all these reasons are true (the main one being that people maybe enjoy too much life in France )

but frankly speaking, we've had players all having great qualities, but not all of them .

Noah had everything except the technique.
Leconte had the greatest talent of all but had a bad physique.
Tsonga not good enough technique.
Monfils the same and not enough focused, etc ...

As for Gasquet, I like him but he's never had the potential some saw in him : technical, physical and mental lacks. Very good "racket touch" talent, maybe the best one, but Leconte had much better technical bases.
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