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Old 12-25-2011, 01:56 PM   #31
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Default Re: Poll: Whos was a more talented tennis player, David Nalbandian or Marat Safin?

Safin, simply b/c he was the games most dominant and aggressive force at his very best. Huge serve, able to hit huge returns of the 2nd serve, great movement for such a big man, and absolutely huge flat ground strokes off both wings. He even could volley pretty well and had some touch. He had very few flaws, other than the iffy shot selection and mental breakdowns.

Nalbandian is more of the rare talent that hits unusual shots that don't quite seem possible. Safin is more in your face, my guns are bigger than your guns and theres nothing you can do about it.

So yea, Safin by a little bit.
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Old 12-25-2011, 02:32 PM   #32
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Default Re: Poll: Whos was a more talented tennis player, David Nalbandian or Marat Safin?

too close to call. both overrated a bit.
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Default Re: Poll: Whos was a more talented tennis player, David Nalbandian or Marat Safin?

Based on talent alone Nalby by abit although both players are quite talented in their own ways!Safin was more GIFTED with a better game such as monster serve and huge forehand when it stays in!Decent volleyer for a big man n mover aswell which was another gift!Daveed had a gift between the ears,his brain n knowledge of his opponents game as in any weaknesses to uncover or strengths to stay away!Nalbo is unlucky not to win a GS just simply in the wrong era!Both players were a joy to watch no doubt and the game need more characters like them,slowly dying!

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Old 12-25-2011, 03:18 PM   #34
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Safin.
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Old 12-25-2011, 06:46 PM   #35
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Default Re: Poll: Whos was a more talented tennis player, David Nalbandian or Marat Safin?

Finally, some sense on MTF.

Safin by a country mile.
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Old 12-26-2011, 12:11 AM   #36
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Default Re: Poll: Whos was a more talented tennis player, David Nalbandian or Marat Safin?

Too close to call as far as I'm concerned. Loved watching both guys when they were on (even though often at the expense of Fed). Safin was for longer periods though and had the athletic advantage. Nalbandian had the touch and the angles. Both had remarkable tennis talent.
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Default Re: Poll: Whos was a more talented tennis player, David Nalbandian or Marat Safin?

Safin easily. 2slams2slam finals better serve, forehand etc. Fatbandian is only more talented at eating pizza/kfc.
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Old 12-26-2011, 01:34 AM   #38
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Default Re: Poll: Whos was a more talented tennis player, David Nalbandian or Marat Safin?

Safin= better serve. Nalbandian= shit serve.

Safin= better on both wings.

I don't know about return serve, Safin by a small shot.

Safin takes this easily.
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Default Re: Poll: Whos was a more talented tennis player, David Nalbandian or Marat Safin?

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Safin= better serve. Nalbandian= shit serve.

Safin= better on both wings.

I don't know about return serve, Safin by a small shot.

Safin takes this easily.
Safin has a better BH than Nalbandian ?!
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Safin has a better BH than Nalbandian ?!
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Default Re: Poll: Whos was a more talented tennis player, David Nalbandian or Marat Safin?

Nalbanidian's Backhand looks more classy and he can change its direction more effortlessly than others but in terms of Effective, Safin's backhand is equal. It is more explosive than Nalbandian's. So i would rate both of their backhand as equal.

Safin was such a talented player. I have never seen such a flawless game when he is really on. He had everything. Great Serve,Decent Volleying skills, Top Class Forehand and Backhand. Good diving skills . Amazing personality. It almost seems that if God hadn't bestowed such a lot of skills in him and taken one off instead he would have shown the required dedication to be the Best and he would have been.


I honestly haven't followed much of Nalbandians career. I just noticed that there was a Player called Nalbandian during the early 2000's. And i knew he was not a mentally strong player to be at the Top. The Evidence of that was the Wimbledon Final against Hewitt.

I stopped watching tennis somewhere in 2005/06 and i think that was the time when Nalbandian flowered or however much he did or less. But from the Youtube Videos that i have seen off him, he does comes across as a Highly talented player. A Kind of Player you would pay to watch the game for.

But comparing him with Safin is not just. Safin was clearly the more talented player; the one everybody anticipated that he would be the Best of his generation. I have followed his career closely and can vouch for it. The US Open win vindicated everybody's judgment about him and honestly it wasn't a surprise when he destroyed Sampras.

Much was expected off him later. The 2002 AO was notorious; it was just tailor made for him and he somehow blew it off. In a way that summed up his career. The Domination was tailor made for him after Sampras retired and that was a void in between; No way the Old Agassi was deemed for it and neither Federer would have realized that he is the one himself. It was Tailor Made for Safin and he blew it off.

The 2004 AO Open was one of its best ever. And if anyone deserved a Grand Slam for its performance alone it would be Safin. That Tournament had Safin all over written over it. But somehow he ran out of Gas and that is not the ideal Preparation when you are facing somebody named as Federer.


And i wont make a judgment on his mental abilities as his career is over long time and anyway i am not going to say something which nobody else hasn't observed about him. His mental abilities is well documented.

And he is now in Politics and who knows it might be his destiny after all. Success in a nation's Politics would be way way greater than few extra Grand Slams. A successfull career in Politics would mean that cared a Rat's Ass about how much Grand Slam he could have won.It all might keep things in Perspective.

But for this Topic now Safin is more talented than Nalbandian.
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Default Re: Poll: Whos was a more talented tennis player, David Nalbandian or Marat Safin?

I certainly would say Safin.

the mistake people make is that Nalbandian's game appears more pleasant to the eye. he hits with great touch and at times hits angles that are unbelievable...

that being said, Safin has a better serve and his groundstrokes are better. it could be argued that Nalbandian has had better touch at the net and at times is better at orchestrating variety than Safin, but he really is not more talented in any aspect of the game than Safin.

of course one must wonder, what if Nalbandian had been just a bit taller?? both did less than they should have.

the interesting part with these two is that they are both great talents who both preformed under expectations BECAUSE of their lack of dedication to the game. Nalbandian with fitness, Safin with lack of focus and his non-ending partying and careless attitude.

if we set them equal as far as the fact that they distracted themselves from the game but both had a lot of talent then what is left to compare them? their accomplishments. Safin achieved more, multiple Grand Slams, because he is the more talented player. it's that simple.

Safin >> Nalbandian, but both are and were great
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Default Re: Poll: Whos was a more talented tennis player, David Nalbandian or Marat Safin?

IMO Safin hasn't really underachieved that badly - the guy has reached world no 1, 2 slams and a stack GS QF+ credentials. Players like Nadal and Federer have conditioned people into thinking that 3+ slam winners is normal. Its actually a rare feat which only happens to supremely gifted players with consistently strong mental fortitude and a good run of health. Safin lost to the likes of Sampras, Federer, peak Ferrero on clay at the slams and his run with injuries stifled his prospects greatly. The only poor result was the loss to Tojo at the AO but his was lucky to beat Haas in the SF anyway. If you take everything into account he should be happy with his career especially compared to a few others.
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Default Re: Poll: Whos was a more talented tennis player, David Nalbandian or Marat Safin?

Safin had a talent comparable to Agassi. He would have won more than 5 Grand Slams and it would not have been a surprise.

Just Checking his Results after the US Open 2000 Win. He really had some bad losses which he should not have lost at All.


AO 2001 - Seeded 2 he lost to D Hrbatý in the 4th Round
FO 2001 - Seeded 2 he lost to Fabrice Santaro in the 3rd Round
WO 2001 - Seeded 4 he lost to Goran in the Quarter
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US 2001 - Seeded 3 he lost to Sampras in the Quarters.

2002 AO - Seeded 9 he lost to TJ in the finals.Just realized he defeated Sampras in that Tournament.
2002 FO - Seeded 2 he lost to Ferrero in the Semis
2002 WO - Seeded 2 he lost to Rochus in the 3rd Round
2002 US - Seeded 2 he lost to Kuerton off all in the second Round.Kuerton wasnt formidable outside Clay.

2003 AO - Seeded 3 he withrew in the 3rd Round
2003 FO - Withdrew
2003 WO - Withdrew
2003 US - Withdrew

2004 AO - Lost to Federer in the final. 50/50 as he was the best player of the tournament but faced Federer in the Final
2004 FO - Lost to Nalbandian in the 4th Round. You can grant that as he wasnt the Best player of the Tournament then
2004 WO - Lost to Tursunov in the first Round
2004 US - Lost to Enquist in the First Round

2005 AO - Won
2005 FO - Lost to Robredo in the fourth. But by then Nadal had come in the picture
2005 WO - Lost to Lopez in the third
2005 US - Withdrew

2006 AO - Withdrew
2006 FO - Lost to Gonzales in the second
2006 WO - Again Lost to Gonzales in the second
2006 US - Lost to Haas in the fourth round

By then he was 26 and his peak was over,atleast in his eyes.

He had two major injuries which took a lot of slams from him. But he was in his peak he really had some bad losses to the likes of Hrybaty,Rochus,Gonzales,Lopez,TJ,Robredo,Tursonov etc.

He could have at least 5 Grand Slams in an Ideal World.

2000 US,2001 US,2002 AO,2002 FO,2004 AO.
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Safin had a talent comparable to Agassi. He would have won more than 5 Grand Slams and it would not have been a surprise.Just Checking his Results after the US Open 2000 Win. He really had some bad losses which he should not have lost at All.


AO 2001 - Seeded 2 he lost to D Hrbatý in the 4th Round
FO 2001 - Seeded 2 he lost to Fabrice Santaro in the 3rd Round
WO 2001 - Seeded 4 he lost to Goran in the Quarter
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US 2001 - Seeded 3 he lost to Sampras in the Quarters.

2002 AO - Seeded 9 he lost to TJ in the finals.Just realized he defeated Sampras in that Tournament.
2002 FO - Seeded 2 he lost to Ferrero in the Semis
2002 WO - Seeded 2 he lost to Rochus in the 3rd Round
2002 US - Seeded 2 he lost to Kuerton off all in the second Round.Kuerton wasnt formidable outside Clay.

2003 AO - Seeded 3 he withrew in the 3rd Round
2003 FO - Withdrew
2003 WO - Withdrew
2003 US - Withdrew

2004 AO - Lost to Federer in the final. 50/50 as he was the best player of the tournament but faced Federer in the Final
2004 FO - Lost to Nalbandian in the 4th Round. You can grant that as he wasnt the Best player of the Tournament then
2004 WO - Lost to Tursunov in the first Round
2004 US - Lost to Enquist in the First Round

2005 AO - Won
2005 FO - Lost to Robredo in the fourth. But by then Nadal had come in the picture
2005 WO - Lost to Lopez in the third
2005 US - Withdrew

2006 AO - Withdrew
2006 FO - Lost to Gonzales in the second
2006 WO - Again Lost to Gonzales in the second
2006 US - Lost to Haas in the fourth round

By then he was 26 and his peak was over,atleast in his eyes.

He had two major injuries which took a lot of slams from him. But he was in his peak he really had some bad losses to the likes of Hrybaty,Rochus,Gonzales,Lopez,TJ,Robredo,Tursonov etc.

He could have at least 5 Grand Slams in an Ideal World.2000 US,2001 US,2002 AO,2002 FO,2004 AO.
Well, being able to win those "easy matches" even when you are playing badly is actually a big part of being a great player. At his best Safin was great, but he had too many off days when he let matches slip away.
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