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View Poll Results: Is choking exagerated?

Yes 11 78.57%
No, vast bulk of the time the term is applied correctly 3 21.43%
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Old 12-09-2011, 07:59 AM   #76
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Default Re: Is choking as a phenomenon greatly exagerated in mens tennis?

On MTF? Definitely. Lots of drama queens here.
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Old 12-09-2011, 08:59 AM   #77
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Default Re: Meaning of the word " Choke "

Everyone gets tight in some points/games and even entire sets. Thats why its absurd when people say that someone 'chokes' on a big point. It doesn't work that way. If you use that definition, every tennis player in the world chokes multiple times in an average match...

Choking is a sustained period where you play much less well than you normally do, and in addition has a very characteristic feel (eg the rush of adrenaline, the wobbly legs, etc).

Choking is therefore the act of not being able to recuperate from a physiological problem. The Gaudio/Coria match is an example. It wasn't just the bad game in the 3rd set that Coria should have won, that was understandable, but rather the complete inability to bounce back to proper form in sets 4 and 5 despite being physically still there. That's what a choke looks like.

So I emphasize it is not simply missing a big shot in an important tiebreaker, it is rather the complete inability to recuperate.
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Old 12-09-2011, 07:34 PM   #78
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Default Re: Meaning of the word " Choke "

So I emphasize it is not simply missing a big shot in an important tiebreaker, it is rather the complete inability to recuperate.

This is very true. I also think the opponent outplaying you does not count as a choke either.

People can complain all they want. But Federer did not choke against Djokovic in the last two U.S. Opens.

Djokovic's return of serves and dominant plays off the baseline ensured victories in both matches.
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Default Re: Meaning of the word " Choke "

Choke:
~verb

1. One of the only two possible outcomes for a match: you win, or you choke.

2. When a specific MTF poster’s favourite player had an advantage (match ball, set ball, break ball, point ball, or when he’s just talented --> see “talented”) and doesn’t capitalize it. That proves the player is better than the rival, no matter if the rival is actually able to capitalize his own advantages.

Choker:
~noun

1. Player that lost a match but you wanted him to win so bad, didn’t you?

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Old 12-10-2011, 10:48 PM   #80
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Default Re: Meaning of the word " Choke "

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For some reason people love using this word. Yea, there are times where a player chokes like when serving for the match in a big match and he hits 2 double faults and a couple of unforced errors. That is a choke without a question but when a player is serving for a match and the returner hits 4 winners most people here still called it a choke. That shouldnt be the case sometimes you have to be able to say the other guy is just too good today. If a player is favorite to win a tournament and he loses to some guy who plays the match of his life, well guess what MTF still says choke. Not true. I think many of you people need to learn what a choke is before you start saying every player who loses is a choker.
Funny how you should mention this

http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=189743 (first freakin post)

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Old 12-10-2011, 10:50 PM   #81
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Default Re: Meaning of the word " Choke "

Agree with RickDaStick. People just want to find ways to discredit Djokovic by assuming he choked rather than Djokovic defeating him and outplaying him that night. Return winners are NOT a choke.
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Old 12-10-2011, 11:00 PM   #82
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Default Re: Meaning of the word " Choke "

No, it's not exaggerated. Most matches are chokes. And Fed this year definitely was.
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