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Old 11-24-2011, 11:44 AM   #61
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i was a supporter of barack obama... now i know that you are just another ill-educated yank who votes for style not substance...

you are the reason the world is in finincial meltdown...

sorry bro... educate yourself... it affects us too... be we can't do fuck all when only your voice drives the soon to be shipwreck of which we are a passenger...
Enough with the drama, fast clay. Obama is the best candidate available right now. You would rather vote for one of the Republican clowns?

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Obama should be re-elected - he's the best Republican candidate in the field.

Old-school Republican that is, before they lurched so far to the right that virtually their entire field of candidates are stupid, clueless, crazy, narcissistic or some combination of all these.

As someone firmly of the liberal / social democrat tendency, the whole field is pretty scary for various reasons but it is just frightening how stupidly reactionary and clueless some of them are and are still being taken seriously while the grown-ups on the card are polling in the low single digits.

Even so, Gingrich is currently the guy at the top of the wave because the field is so bad that everyone in turn is getting a moment in the spotlight in a concerted "anyone but Romney" effort by the crazies. And Gingrich really is disgusting.
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Old 11-24-2011, 11:47 AM   #62
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Obama is going to win it easily
I remember 3 years ago you posted that Obama would solve the Middle East/Israel problem within a month of his election. You are very forgiving - or maybe very forgetful.

Anyway, do you have any predictions for his second term to-do list?
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Seingeist and Buddyholly, your Obama hating is ridiculous. He did a good job in a difficult context.
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since i can't be bothered to do any research on this: can someone tell me about this "gingrich cheated on his wife while she had cancer"-thing? and if that's actually true, how in the world did he manage to survive the primaries so far? his opposition should've had a field day over the last couple of months.
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Old 11-24-2011, 06:52 PM   #65
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since i can't be bothered to do any research on this: can someone tell me about this "gingrich cheated on his wife while she had cancer"-thing? and if that's actually true, how in the world did he manage to survive the primaries so far? his opposition should've had a field day over the last couple of months.
He hasn't been near the top of the polls until last week or so. Now that he's doing well he'll get more scrutiny. I haven't bothered to look at the details either, but if there's even a hint of scandal then it'll come out. Right now he's being hammered on his immigration stance, though, so we'll probably have to wait for that to die down.
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Old 11-24-2011, 07:58 PM   #66
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Hilarious! Sadly I really think he has 0% to win this race. He is absolutely stuck at just under 10%, everyone else goes up and down like jojos between 5% and 30%, will any mainstream 40+ years old Limbaugh listening/fox new watcing voter ever decide to vote on dr.Paul?

It seems to be truly impossible, first old media needs to really become a nonfactor and not only for people under 30!
Do not count Paul out. He has some weaknesses (drug legalization, his appearance, his age, etc), but some of his ideas really resonate with a good portion of the electorate, and he has a great strength: coherence/consistency. His name recognition and following have only grown since his 2008 campaign.

Given how passionate his base is, and his organization in Iowa, he has some chances of winning Iowa. If he does, and the anti-Romney feeling persists, he'd be in a rather strong position to get the nomination.
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Seingeist and Buddyholly, your Obama hating is ridiculous. He did a good job in a difficult context.
"Obama hating?"

Get lost, Grassquet. I grow so tired of this BS.

I said I am staunchly opposed to his policies (at the same time that I was defending him from Mjau's ridiculous epithets, you imbecile) and I noted his use of political rhetoric during his 2008 campaign.

Both my social and economic leanings are far more conservative than liberal, which aligns me much more closely with Republican platforms and policies than Democratic ones. I am not going to suddenly start thinking that wrongheaded initiatives are great ideas just because they issue from an international subject of worship.

And not even a great many Obama-supporting Democrats here in the U.S. would dare claim that he's done a "good job."
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since i can't be bothered to do any research on this: can someone tell me about this "gingrich cheated on his wife while she had cancer"-thing?
Colloquially known as "pulling a John Edwards."
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"Obama hating?"

Get lost, Grassquet. I grow so tired of this BS.

I said I am staunchly opposed to his policies (at the same time that I was defending him from Mjau's ridiculous epithets, you imbecile) and I noted his use of political rhetoric during his 2008 campaign.

Both my social and economic leanings are far more conservative than liberal, which aligns me much more closely with Republican platforms and policies than Democratic ones. I am not going to suddenly start thinking that wrongheaded initiatives are great ideas just because they issue from an international subject of worship.

And not even a great many Obama-supporting Democrats here in the U.S. would dare claim that he's done a "good job."
Glad you just disagree with him but you are a bit harsh with him in my opinion.
I am sorry to tell you that many people think he did a good job (in the crisis context). And his reelection will prove it.
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Enough with the drama, fast clay. Obama is the best candidate available right now. You would rather vote for one of the Republican clowns?
yeah no worries then... we'll just authorise another loan from the federal reserve to pay the interest off the last loan...

obama is the change that never happened... until you know that, you are useless...

and another thing, if you think there is any difference between republican and democrat in this age then you are a media slave... woo... yeah... that's awesome...
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Colloquially known as "pulling a John Edwards."
yeah and look what happened to him: erased from the politcal landscape (rightly so, don't get me wrong here).

so i guess what gingrich did can hardly be compared to edwards' "missteps". he wouldn't have run if his private life offered his opponents the kind of goodies they desperately long for. chances are he's not gonna bomb but slowly phase out.

romney will probably just wear them down, one by one, with his massive war chest. unless the media covers some major gaffe, the easiest way to attack gingrich would be his washingtonesque track record. after all, it'll be quite something to make him look like "outside the beltway". romney is gonna run on his business experience and nobody except for that doofus herman cain could possibly challenge him in that area.
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Enough with the drama, fast clay. Obama is the best candidate available right now. You would rather vote for one of the Republican clowns?
Are you serious? How can anyone still be enthusiastic about Obama? Bush was driving your country at 100 mph to oblivion, Obama is increasing the speed to 300 mph, just fast enought for your country to get there at the end of his 2nd term if not before.
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If Americans had any sense, they'd re-elect Obama
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Hope Obama gets re-elected. At least this president doesn't go round waging war and tries to build friendlier foreign relations.
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