[GOAT = Fed]

Originally Posted by Sapeod

Not arrogant, just honest.

But Y U NO HUMBLE, MAN?!

[Har-Tru]

Originally Posted by cobalt60

How come I was always taught never to talk about politics, sex and religion?

Oh, I was taught that too.

Ricky Gervais has a great quote: "When you're a working class child, what your parents hope for is not that you become a doctor, or a lawyer. It's that you don't die in a bar-room fight."

[habibko]

Originally Posted by Castafiore

Most of my family, even if they do consider themselves catholic, believe in gay rights, are critical towards the pope

this is a common word play in our civilized world in the efforts of good natured religious people to have the best of both worlds, people make their own religion and their own god inside them according to what feels "right" to them, they might "consider" themselves catholic, but that won't make them one, they aren't adhering to the tenets of their faith anymore

there is no room for gays in the Bible, no prophet respected gays or addressed them with any form of respect, on the contrary they were always condemned and punished, and critical towards the pope? would the pope have called those who defied him catholics when christianity was still fresh?

religious teachings and morals have evolved tremendously to catch up with the evolution of morals and human rights in civilized societies to remain acceptable and relevant, what we call "extreme" is simply people who are serious about their faith and follow all the teachings without turning a blind eye on what is considered "bad" in our societies now

but we don't call a spade a spade nowadays

Originally Posted by Castafiore

Edit: Catholicism is part of christianity. To say otherwise is dumb. The word christianity contains the word "christ" as in Jesus Christ. So, every religion where Jesus is seen as the christ, the messiah,...is part of christianity. In catholicism, Jesus is seen as the messiah, hence, it's a christian religion.

by that definition Islam is also part of Christianity.. I'm sure all Christians would disagree

[Time Violation]

Pope is not God, so who cares what he thinks. God has the last word anyway, so it's quite irrelevant what definition is correct and /or what includes which

[Sham Kay]

Originally Posted by Taejin

Pope is not God, so who cares what he thinks. God has the last word anyway, so it's quite irrelevant what definition is correct and /or what includes which

Last word.. I'm still waiting patiently to hear the FIRST word from that guy.

[Time Violation]

Originally Posted by Shambritfan

Last word.. I'm still waiting patiently to hear the FIRST word from that guy.

I'm curious to hear what would you consider "first word"? God making an account on MTF and saying, hey Shambritfan, can you hear me you mug?

[Sham Kay]

Originally Posted by Taejin

I'm curious to hear what would you consider "first word"? God making an account on MTF and saying, hey Shambritfan, can you hear me you mug?

I expect a text from a number with 12 digits claiming to be the The Almighty's secretary, at the very least.

[Castafiore]

Originally Posted by habibko

this is a common word play in our civilized world in the efforts of good natured religious people to have the best of both worlds, people make their own religion and their own god inside them according to what feels "right" to them, they might "consider" themselves catholic, but that won't make them one, they aren't adhering to the tenets of their faith anymore

I think that you've been talking to the more extreme believers a bit too much.

there is a no room for gays in the Bible, no prophet respected gays or addressed them with any form of respect, on the contrary they were always condemned and punished, and critical towards the pope? would the pope have called those who defied him catholics when christianity was still fresh?

I can only say that many christians I know do make room for gays in this world. Yes, perhaps that's cherry-picking. I can understand that viewpoint (esp. if your viewpoint is static as well). I don't quite agree with that, though. If it makes them fake christians in the eyes of many, fine. I don't think that such matters are that static and absolute.

I don't view what the early popes said about real or fake catholics as relevant. Popes are humans, flawed just like the rest of us. (heck, I don't view what the current pope says as relevant but I'm an agnostic and no longer a practicing catholic anyway)

by that definition Islam is also part of Christianity..

No.

No offense but didn't you push the "reply" button a bit too quickly here?
If I'm not mistaken, Islam recognizes Jesus as a prophet but NOT as the messiah. Hence, it's not christianity. "Christ" means, "the anointed one', the "messiah".
The Bible has many prophets but only one messiah.

[habibko]

Originally Posted by Castafiore

I think that you've been talking to the more extreme believers a bit too much.

doesn't matter who I'm talking to, you didn't say where I was wrong

Originally Posted by Castafiore

I can only say that many christians I know do make room for gays in this world. Yes, perhaps that's cherry-picking. I can understand that viewpoint (esp. if your viewpoint is static as well). I don't quite agree with that, though. If it makes them fake christians in the eyes of many, fine. I don't think that such matters are that static and absolute.

I don't view what the early popes said about real or fake catholics as relevant. Popes are humans, flawed just like the rest of us. (heck, I don't view what the current pope says as relevant but I'm an agnostic and no longer a practicing catholic anyway)

this is not a matter of opinion, it's straight forward logic, if the God of the Bible and his prophets thought and preached homosexuality is wrong, you either follow them which means you believe what they believe or you don't, not so hard is it?

now if one thinks the God of the Bible is wrong in condemning them and not giving them their equal rights, it's hypocritical to keep pretending they accept the Bible as the truth and claim that they follow it

Originally Posted by Castafiore

No.

No offense but didn't you push the "reply" button a bit too quickly here?

no

Originally Posted by Castafiore

If I'm not mistaken, Islam recognizes Jesus as a prophet but NOT as the messiah. Hence, it's not christianity. "Christ" means, "the anointed one', the "messiah".
The Bible has many prophets but only one messiah.

you are mistaken, you should learn more about a subject before making statements on it

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masih

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_view_of_Jesus

[sicko]

Are there famous tennis players that officially do not believe in god?

[Lopez]

Originally Posted by sicko

Are there famous tennis players that officially do not believe in god?

Nadal I think. Might be more though (and might be that they just don't say it so they won't alienate any fans)

[sicko]

Originally Posted by Lopez

Nadal I think. Might be more though (and might be that they just don't say it so they won't alienate any fans)

Nadal: "For me, religion is the main cause of mortality in history"

Not that's it's true, but to say something like that in today's glamor PR world means you got an attitude.

Now I will appreciate the great warrior even more.

[out_here_grindin]

Originally Posted by habibko

doesn't matter who I'm talking to, you didn't say where I was wrong



this is not a matter of opinion, it's straight forward logic, if the God of the Bible and his prophets thought and preached homosexuality is wrong, you either follow them which means you believe what they believe or you don't, not so hard is it?

now if one thinks the God of the Bible is wrong in condemning them and not giving them their equal rights, it's hypocritical to keep pretending they accept the Bible as the truth and claim that they follow it



no



you are mistaken, you should learn more about a subject before making statements on it

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masih

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_view_of_Jesus

That's not the same as the Christian view. Islam does not teach that Jesus was God incarnate or the son of God. All Christian denominations hold that as the center-piece of the religion. (Including Catholics Aloimeh)

[Har-Tru]

Originally Posted by sicko

Are there famous tennis players that officially do not believe in god?

Originally Posted by Lopez

Nadal I think. Might be more though (and might be that they just don't say it so they won't alienate any fans)

We might surmise from this statements that Nadal is a non-believer indeed:

http://www.religionenlibertad.com/ar...darticulo=5468

"To me, religion is the major cause of mortality in history"

Funny coming from someone whose surname means Christmas.

[habibko]

Originally Posted by out_here_grindin

That's not the same as the Christian view. Islam does not teach that Jesus was God incarnate or the son of God. All Christian denominations hold that as the center-piece of the religion. (Including Catholics Aloimeh)

I didn't say that, refer to Castafiore's definition