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Old 03-27-2011, 02:37 PM   #1
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If Djokovic wins tonight, he will have the third-longest winning streak to start a season in the last 30 years, 19 wins in a row (tied with John McEnroe in 1985 - for a full list of those fast starts, see below):

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39   John McEnroe                  1984  19   McEnroe          1985
25   Ivan Lendl                    1986  17   Pete Sampras     1997
19   Novak Djokovic                2011  16   Roger Federer    2006
http://www.atpworldtour.com/News/Ten...y-Preview.aspx

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McEnroe won 42 in 1984
Lendl 29 in 1986
McEnroe 22 in 1985


Sampras and Federer are ok.


The problem is, apparently ATP doesn't count "Masters" tournaments which were held in January in years 1978-1986.



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Old 03-27-2011, 02:48 PM   #2
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I was just about to make a post about this myself. It's a pretty silly oversight, but then again I have seen time and again that the ATP are susceptible to making errors where numbers are concerned.
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I was just about to make a post about this myself. It's a pretty silly oversight, but then again I have seen time and again that the ATP are susceptible to making errors were numbers are concerned.
It's sad, especially in the context of circulating everywhere Vilas's record (most matches won in a row) which actually belongs to Borg
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Vilas's record (most matches won in a row) which actually belongs to Borg
tell us more about that
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It's sad, especially in the context of circulating everywhere Vilas's record (most matches won in a row) which actually belongs to Borg
I personally wasn't aware of that one. Do you have the dates of his first and last matches during the streak and how long it was?
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Where does Novak's current streak rank up with streaks in general, not just start of year?
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I was just about to make a post about this myself. It's a pretty silly oversight, but then again I have seen time and again that the ATP are susceptible to making errors were numbers are concerned.
It's also sad for a British person to make such silly English language mistakes.
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It's sad, especially in the context of circulating everywhere Vilas's record (most matches won in a row) which actually belongs to Borg
Really? What's Borg's record and over what period?
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tell us more about that
I made once a thread about it. ATP includes to player's activity all Davis Cup matches no matter on which level they were played but hasn't included Borg's Davis Cup matches in 1978 to its database, therefore for example on wikipedia you can read that Borg has the third longest winning streak - 43. In fact he won 49 consecutive matches in 1978 (43 + 6 Davis Cup rubbers), Vilas's 46 is consisted of 44 tournament matches + 2 Davis Cup rubbers.
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Never knew that, thanks!
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It's also sad for a British person to make such silly English language mistakes.
Terribly sorry for my oversight. I am sure that if you review my posting history, such elementary errors will be hard to come across. Unfortunately none of us are immune to making typographical mistakes. Nonetheless, many thanks for bringing it to my attention - it is edited now
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I made once a thread about it. ATP includes to player's activity all Davis Cup matches no matter on which level they were played but hasn't included Borg's Davis Cup matches in 1978 to its database, therefore for example on wikipedia you can read that Borg has the third longest winning streak - 43. In fact he won 49 consecutive matches in 1978 (43 + 6 Davis Cup rubbers), Vilas's 46 is consisted of 44 tournament matches + 2 Davis Cup rubbers.
thanks for the answer

what sounds strange to me is that Vilas's record is very well-known and it was in a time when people didn't put so much their trust in computer data : I have difficulty to imagine that it comes only from a technical error

maybe there's something else which explains that Borg's record was not counted ? matches out of the ATP tour (WCT ?) or whatever ?

anyway Vilas's record was also stopped because of the spaghetti racket then ...
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Terribly sorry for my oversight. I am sure that if you review my posting history, such elementary errors will be hard to come across. Unfortunately none of us are immune to making typographical mistakes. Nonetheless, many thanks for bringing it to my attention - it is edited now
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