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Novak Djokovic 49 74.24%
Patrick Rafter 17 25.76%
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Old 02-10-2011, 06:16 PM   #46
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Rafter managed to win 2 slams in Sampras' era. That's much better than winning 2 against an average Federer, Murray and Nadal.

Djokovic would win zilch in Sampras' era.
Rafter would probably win zilch in this era because all the courts are so slow.

Rafter >>>>>>>>>>>>> Djokovic.
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Old 02-10-2011, 06:22 PM   #47
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Rafter managed to win 2 slams in Sampras' era. That's much better than winning 2 against an average Federer, Murray and Nadal.

Djokovic would win zilch in Sampras' era.
Rafter would probably win zilch in this era because all the courts are so slow.

Rafter >>>>>>>>>>>>> Djokovic.
Agreed Rafter would not win on today's courts, but Djokovic could have won on the rebound ace courts of the Australian Open in the 90's.
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Puh lease. Djokovic is ahead already at 23
Nole is 24, he was born in -87.
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Novak is like André except he move much better. Nole could win many major slams in 90's!
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Agreed Rafter would not win on today's courts, but Djokovic could have won on the rebound ace courts of the Australian Open in the 90's.
I doubt it. With Agassi around and Sampras and others like Rafter and Kafelnikov, he wouldn't have a chance of winning an Australian Open in the 90s.
No way in the others, not even Roland Garros. The clay field was 500 times better than it is nowadays, when Djokovic is the #3 claycourter
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Rafter is one of my all-time favorites, but I have to say Djokovic takes this one. The comparison is rather pointless, because Nole will win more Slams, and will eventually end up with far more achievemnts than Pat.

If Rafter would have won one Wimbledon, this would be a totally different comparison, but despite his chances he couldn´t pull it off, which is a shame. The fact that he held the 1 spot for a while doesn´t count for that much since it was only for a short period of time.

As someone already said, for a plyer of his calibre, Rafter actually won very few titles. His record is even weirder if you exclude his dream season of 1998, when he won Toronto, Cincinnati, Long Island and US Open. Before his 1st US Open title he only had one win ( Manchester 1994 ) and after his second GS he only won twice at s-Hertogenbosch and once in Indianapolis. So his career record outside the two US Opens is actually not THAT great, and his peak form didn´t last long at all.

Djokovic already has way more titles, and he´ll win many more. But he´ll never be as enjoyable player to watch as Rafter!
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You're not a politician are you? Best to quote my whole sentence and not part of it, then comprehension will be easy for you.
I assumed that you must not have understood what was written because your response made it sound like you've never seen anyone compare 2 sports figures from different eras before.

I guess I overestimated you. Sorry.
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Nole is 24, he was born in -87.
2011 - 1987 = 24.

Very good, Mjau! You did basic math!

As soon as his birthday rolls around on May 22 this post won't be quite so embarassing any more.
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I assumed that you must not have understood what was written because your response made it sound like you've never seen anyone compare 2 sports figures from different eras before.

I guess I overestimated you. Sorry.
Don't know how's your reading comprehension, but no one else has problems understanding laurie's point, not least of all becuase it was explicitly stated and it's only one sentence. Major kudos to you, new low.
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Nole is 24, he was born in -87.
Wrong. Novak is 23 (22.05.1987). One week younger than Murray and 1 year younger than Rafa. So he's the youngest of the Top 10.
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[quote=Terra Massive;10765758]Rafter managed to win 2 slams in Sampras' era. That's much better than winning 2 against an average Federer, Murray and Nadal.
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Yabbut he didn't beat Pete in 1997. Somebody else did and Pat Rafter just happened to parlay that other guy's good fortune into a slam title for himself. Lucky guy. Scuse me for saying so, but I don't think that anybody would have claimed that Pat Rafter was the world's best tennis player in September 97.

Nole won 2 AO's - easily - and he beat Rog both times.
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Yabbut he didn't beat Pete in 1997. Somebody else did and Pat Rafter just happened to parlay that other guy's good fortune into a slam title for himself. Lucky guy. Scuse me for saying so, but I don't think that anybody would have claimed that Pat Rafter was the world's best tennis player in September 97.

Nole won 2 AO's - easily - and he beat Rog both times.
.. and the second time when he played him and beat him he was just lucky of course
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Rafter managed to win 2 slams in Sampras' era. That's much better than winning 2 against an average Federer, Murray and Nadal.

Djokovic would win zilch in Sampras' era.
Rafter would probably win zilch in this era because all the courts are so slow.

Rafter >>>>>>>>>>>>> Djokovic.
so why can't murray win in the average federer nadal era

you such ahater,besides federer and nadal are by far the best 2 players in history
and yet he has 2 slams in this strong era
and iam not very good at counting but i think 2 is greater than 0
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Djokovic may not be the most talented in the rarified atmosphere of the top 5 current players in the world (I consider Federer, Nadal and Murray have more talent), but must have immense talent to reach top 3 level and GS winning level.
No. Just no.
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On a competitive nature I would have to give the edge to rafter for now as he was able to beat the dominatant champions of his era @ slam level sampras/agassi.
Novak has failed @ defeating nadull in a slam or BO5 to date.
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