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View Poll Results: Are players peaking at older ages in tennis now than in the past?

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Old 11-05-2010, 04:37 PM   #151
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Not really, more like it shows how hard it is to break through as a youngster when everyone ranked ahead of you plays virtually the same or similar style. There's no room for a talented youngster with a well rounded game to stand out because the surfaces and styles of play have become so homogenized.
You must mean the tall, strong, hard-hitting types and slowed down surfaces. You're right there, especially looking at the challenger circuit, where these burly guys serve and out-hit the underdeveloped teens. I'm not sure this means everyone plays exactly the same though, that's like saying the S&V's from the past were all the same.. oh wait

Homogenized or not, the quality of the players these teens have to fight with in order to get anywhere near the top guys (i.e challenger players who most MTF guys aka Fedal nuthuggers would never have heard of) is FAR greater than it was in the past. Basically the strength in depth of mens tennis is immense in this era, regardless of how robotically (a word?) similar they are, or how boring you might find it.
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Old 11-05-2010, 06:53 PM   #152
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To be honest, spindly 17 and 18 year olds breaking through and winning a GS or two like Chang and Becker doesnt say much for the overall quality of the guys at the very highest levels in those apparently "strong" eras.
Chang maybe, but Becker "spindly"? Did you *see* Becker at 17? He was built like an ox.
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Old 11-05-2010, 09:25 PM   #153
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I don't think someone of 19 is a child, you are pretty close to being fully developed when you are 19.
yes, but by then you should already be in the top 100 to qualify for OP's diagram.
same thing on the women's side. i have no idea why
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Maybe the peak age of tennis players is getting older? I don't know.
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Game is more physically demanding today than always, and in turn is more mentally exhausting. Players at 18 are not really ready to compete with men match in and out for the most part, unless they have the games of men, and most have not matured to that level. Also there is a limit to the amount kids under 18 can play I think, which obviously plays a factor.
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They are haunted, so they cant win
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Wow, a thread making a valid and interesting point. A nice change from all the 'I LUV NADAL LOL' garbage that gets posted on here.
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Wow, a thread making a valid and interesting point. A nice change from all the 'I LUV NADAL LOL' garbage that gets posted on here.
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Wow, a thread making a valid and interesting point. A nice change from all the 'I LUV NADAL LOL' garbage that gets posted on here.
As opposed to pearls of wisdom like this?

http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=160840

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Perhaps it has to with the fact that the average male fully develops at 23 and once they are fully developed and can hone their game it takes on average about 4 years to establish yourself inside the top 100. Not every top 100 player was a junior star, not every top player had an ATP ranking before they were 18 etc.

Another reason could be the fact that Tennis players now realise they have to do something with their life (ie. go to College ala Isner) before they go pro. Perhaps it is the fact that 27/28 is the age where players hit their physical peak and therefore hit their ranking peak and then start to decline physically from then onwards.

That may explain it, but it is a very strange statistic, Maybe the stress on young body from the more travel professional players do these days has taken them a longer time to get up to the professional standards?
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Old 11-06-2010, 11:05 AM   #161
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Interesting point. I'd go for rhe following factors:

1) Nowadays, you can't win matches on talent alone. To come up with big results you also need to be in excellent physical health, be extremely tough mentally and be able to make smart decisions. It takes time to hone these skills. You won't see teenagers make deep runs into slams because of this. I don't think we'll see the likes of McEnroe, who felt no need to practise, make even one slam nowadays.

This means that even the most talented youngsters have to take the traditional route of futures - challengers - atp events. Which brings me to problem #2.

2) Tennis has become globalised and there are more dedicated pros than ever. The challger tour is packed with players who want to make that final jump towards the top 100. It is not easy to survive this jungle. Especially for players who have had it easy in juniors and are suddenly faced with opponents who are stronger and fitter.
It takes dedication to take on the challenger tour for a few years. The pay isn't good, there isn't much attention, travel can be killing, injuries mean you'll have to start all over again. Anybody who is fan of a player perpetually ranked between 100 and 200 will acknowledge this.
It takes a few years to get battle ready for the big tournaments, so most players who do make the top 100 will do so well past 21.
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It reminds me of this good British film 'Children of men' in which women can't procreate anymore...is this what's happening? Nobody under 20 to play tennis, anywhere in the world?
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Old 11-06-2010, 02:45 PM   #163
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Well one things for certain. 6-7 years from now will be the official MUG ERA.
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Federer at 29 is past his prime and now #3 in rankings and considered old.

When comparing to another physically demanding sport you got Bernard Hopkins who won title at 46 and he had more stamina than his opponent, Glen Johnson at 42 vs Carl Froch at 33 tonight and Froch is in his prime.

Pacquiao at 29 would have been the absolute pinnacle of his powers, so why is Tennis different?
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Because it's the most physically demanding.
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