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#1 · (Edited by Moderator)
With a 31 year old very-past-his-prime Federer dominating and winning Slams at the same time in which there's a peak Djokovic and a very strong Nadal, who sweeped the red clay season like he usually does, and with a guy like Mónaco reaching the top 10, you've got to wonder about this.

Those are only a few examples and I'm sure others have consider this possibility as well. This didn't happen in a vacuum of course. In fact, there might be some truth to the experts' talk that tennis has been getting progressively more physical over time, and thus with less talent required to actually play.

What do you think?
 
#156 ·
Re: if sampras would play in this era....

BTW i think that Sampras would be a nightmare matchup for Nadal and Djokovic, Murray and Federer would probably be much better against him (matchup wise), Murray being the worst.
I agree than sampras would be a bad match-up for nadal because with his great serve and contiunes attacks in the net would break nadal`s rhytm , nadal always need rythm in his matches and sampras all the time with his serve and volley would fastidiate very much nadal.

for me , all the genius of this sports like sampras , federer or nadal would win titles in any time , sampras and agassi zero slams????' my god...

nole 2011 destroying peak sampras????? Sorry man but no......if past peak federer and murray could defeated and fought to the limits with nole , peak sampras no??
 
#149 ·
Re: if sampras would play in this era....

Serve and volleyers can't compete with the Big 4 in this era. He'd do well because he's a great player but he would have no slams.

As for Agassi, he'd do better but he would still have no slams.
 
#150 ·
Re: if sampras would play in this era....

It works the same the other way. How would Djokovic, Murray & Nadal have faired in the 90's?

I reckon Peak Sampras would still win slams in this era, even with the slow courts. Obviously not as much as he did during his time, but he'd still grab a few imo
 
#153 ·
Re: if sampras would play in this era....

Nole and Nadal would do good in 90s. Nole would still win HC titles and had great shot at Rg and none at Wimb. Nadal would own clay badly and Mugray would be fine too. They are far superior on physical level, fast court or not they would adapt and rack up few slams.
 
#157 ·
Re: if sampras would play in this era....

Nole and Nadal would do good in 90s. Nole would still win HC titles and had great shot at Rg and none at Wimb. Nadal would own clay badly and Mugray would be fine too. They are far superior on physical level, fast court or not they would adapt and rack up few slams.
So, Nole, Nadal and Murray would adapt in the 90s, but Sampras and Agassi would not adapt in the 2000s. That's either underestimating the two or not being objective at all.

First of all, in the case of each switch, it is mandatory to believe that the players' game will form differently. So, you wouldn't be having the same Sampras or Agassi that adapted for the 90s courts, you would have a different game from both of them and given their enormous talent, they would win Slams, but the era would consist of a Big 6 rather than a Big 4. Nole, Murray and Nadal would also have a different less physical game in the 90s adapted for a faster HC, Carpet and grass, and a slower clay. Their talent would allow them to be big in the 90s as well.
 
#158 ·
Re: if sampras would play in this era....

In the French, this era is ridiculous.

In a 8 years spam, you have as many chances to win the title if all of Kuerten, Muster, Costa, Ferrero, Corretja, Courier and Bruguera are playing at their peak every fucking year (which it obviously wasn't the case) as if there's only Nadal which nobody else.

Basically, in term of preventing you to win this fucking title, Nadal= all of them combined

Federer would have make something like 2 or 3 finals for 1 or 2 titles in the 90s
In this era, it's 5 finals (2005 was almost a final too...)but only one title.
 
#159 ·
Re: if sampras would play in this era....

In the French, this era is ridiculous.

In a 8 years spam, you have as many chances to win the title if all of Kuerten, Muster, Costa, Ferrero, Corretja, Courier and Bruguera are playing at their peak every fucking year (which it obviously wasn't the case) as if there's only Nadal which nobody else.

Basically, in term of preventing you to win this fucking title, Nadal= all of them combined

Federer would have make something like 2 or 3 finals for 1 or 2 titles in the 90s
In this era, it's 5 finals (2005 was almost a final too...)but only one title.
nadal would be anyway the clay king but maybe not like now......

rafa never had real clay courts specialists against him , only coria in 2005 and he lost , but at least coria forced epic matches against nadal in clay , after 2005 coria was gone like gaudio and only was fed ( fastcourt specalist ) and now nole ( not clay specialist ).
 
#162 ·
Re: if sampras would play in this era....

^Sapeod Yeah, S&V is dead nowadays, but I see Sampras adapting his game as his talent dictates in order to achieve greatness here as well. He would be a slightly weaker version of Federer combined with Roddick. Are we answering "if sampras would have grown and played in this era" or "if sampras would have been kidnapped with a time machine and forced to play in this era" ?
 
#163 ·
Re: if sampras would play in this era....

If Sampras was so talented and could adapt his game to different surfaces then why was he so terrible on clay?

He would not win any slams, simple as that. His talent would only get him so far. In other words, he'd be a solid top player but not a slam winner.
 
#164 ·
Re: if sampras would play in this era....

If Sampras was so talented and could adapt his game to different surfaces then why was he so terrible on clay?

He would not win any slams, simple as that. His talent would only get him so far. In other words, he'd be a solid top player but not a slam winner.
federer defeated murray in wimbledon using much volley`s game.....sampras was much better in the net than federer.

if murray is an slam winner , sampras not???
 
#166 ·
Re: if sampras would play in this era....

But Sampras is on another level to the serve and vollyers of today. (which there are not many, if any at all)

Of course there is no way of finding out how Peak Sampras/Agassi would do nowadays, so it's all speculation really.
 
#168 ·
Re: if sampras would play in this era....

Sapeod, I suggest you go down to the supermarket and purchase yourself a life. BadRepping me for a joke is the saddest thing you've ever done around here, telling me that you bad-repped me because I can't accept that people have a different opinion to yours, when YOU actually can't accept that, seeing as you act like God in this thread, negating Sampras' chances and telling everyone how right you are when it's all SPECULATION.

And that comes after a series of good-reps you received from me and a lot of arguments in which I sided with you. Don't worry though I don't care if you Bad-Rep me a thousand times for the most retarded reasons you can find. Just know that you need to grow up faster.:rolleyes:
 
#175 ·
Re: if sampras would play in this era....

Sapeod, I suggest you go down to the supermarket and purchase yourself a life. BadRepping me for a joke is the saddest thing you've ever done around here, telling me that you bad-repped me because I can't accept that people have a different opinion to yours, when YOU actually can't accept that, seeing as you act like God in this thread, negating Sampras' chances and telling everyone how right you are when it's all SPECULATION.

And that comes after a series of good-reps you received from me and a lot of arguments in which I sided with you. Don't worry though I don't care if you Bad-Rep me a thousand times for the most retarded reasons you can find. Just know that you need to grow up faster.:rolleyes:
On the other hand, I'm not the one telling somebody to get a life and whining about badreps. Grow up indeed.

Also, who's angry here? I'm certainly not.
 
#180 ·
Re: What kind of career would Nadal have in the 90's?

At least 18 slams. 90's era was littered with weak serve bots and all around clowns. He'd win 10RG/4W/2AO/2USO and back to back gold medals (1996-2000). Nadal vs Sampras on clay would be like RG2008 final against Noserer, every time :drool:
 
#181 ·
Re: What kind of career would Nadal have in the 90's?

you're a clown trying to start a Nadal hate thread, but nonetheless:

Nadal would still dominate clay for obvious reasons, there were hardly any adept clay court players in the 90s (Courier and Muster were just not that good) up until the late 90s with Guga in particular.

Nadal would have many slams based on clay and many titles in general based on that

he might be able to squeeze in a hard court slam here or there given his work ethic (there are players with poorer hard court games than his, regardless of the court speed, who managed to win a random hard court grand slam in the 90s).

Wimbledon probably he would have no chance

a bunch of Roland Garros's, maybe a hard court slam, probably still very successful considering no matter what era (except maybe playing with Borg) Nadal would be essentially unstoppable on clay
 
#182 ·
Re: What kind of career would Nadal have in the 90's?

you're a clown trying to start a Nadal hate thread, but nonetheless:

Nadal would still dominate clay for obvious reasons, there were hardly any adept clay court players in the 90s (Courier and Muster were just not that good) up until the late 90s with Guga in particular.

Nadal would have many slams based on clay and many titles in general based on that

he might be able to squeeze in a hard court slam here or there given his work ethic (there are players with poorer hard court games than his, regardless of the court speed, who managed to win a random hard court grand slam in the 90s).

Wimbledon probably he would have no chance

a bunch of Roland Garros's, maybe a hard court slam, probably still very successful considering no matter what era (except maybe playing with Borg) Nadal would be essentially unstoppable on clay
Good comment :yeah: Nadal may have snatched an AO. Other than that FO only. So he'd be on 8 slams by now at best.
 
#185 ·
Re: What kind of career would Nadal have in the 90's?

He would be ranked below 150, where he belongs.
 
#186 ·
Re: What kind of career would Nadal have in the 90's?

He'd own Sampras even more than he does Federer, horrible matchup for Pete I believe.
 
#187 ·
Re: What kind of career would Nadal have in the 90's?

He'd own Sampras even more than he does Federer, horrible matchup for Pete I believe.
Hewitt was a bad match-up for Sampras, but they still had a close H2H :shrug:
 
#189 ·
Re: What kind of career would Nadal have in the 90's?

Who would win: prime Nadull or prime Steffi Graf on super fast 90's indoor hard court?
 
#191 ·
Re: What kind of career would Nadal have in the 90's?

Who would win: prime Nadull or prime Steffi Graf on super fast 90's indoor hard court?
Steffi Agassi in 2 blowout sets (or 3 if you're talking about a 3/5 set match)
 
#202 ·
Re: What kind of career would Nadal have in the 90's?

If he could take back his racquet and string technology he would be sweet.
racket technology or not Nadal would be the guy to beat on clay... he might get hit off the court much more easily though on other surfaces
 
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