I would like to start a thread to keep track of some upcoming juniors.
Name: Noah Rubin
Birthday: 02-21-1996 (15 years old)
Junior Ranking: 42
ATP Ranking: N/A
Description: Noah recently captured his first G1 title (Copa Del Cafe 2012, hardcourt) two weeks ago and is currently at a career high junior ranking of 42 with only 5 itf starts . His ranking will continue to rise b/c of this week's play at G1 Copa Barranquilla (clay); will play in the quarterfinal. He was a finalist at the Les Petits As a couple of years ago. Noah seems to have a solid game, but he seems kinda short though when standing next to Farren Connor at the Copa Del Cafe final (Connor is listed at 5'11"). However, Noah is two years younger so let's hope that he can add some inches.
Name: Thai-Son Kwiatkowski
Birthday: 02-13-1995 (16 years old)
Junior Ranking: 84
ATP Ranking: N/A
Description: Despite the name, he is not a Thai descendent :lol: :shrug:. He is actually 1/4 Polish and 3/4 Vietnamese (from local paper). He is close to his career high in junior ranking but the last couple of weeks had him focusing on futures qualifying (not very successful thus far). He has a nice forehand. Here is an old video of him from the local news: Link
Lederman had three mps on Rubin and could not convert, according to zoo tennis. So can Thai upset Rubin? And di foe upset papa? I say papa wins his match and Thai beats Rubin.
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I just have a hard time visualizing Thai upsetting anyone late into the tournament. If it gets into a third set, I def. don't see him winning (mentally fragile).
Thai has never lost to Rubin. That might help his mental state. Rubin competes better for now, although I have seen him check out when things don t go his way. Thai is a better tennis player but sometimes that s not a guarantee for coming up with a win.
I honestly don t think that predicting that Rubin might lose to his opponent warrants your statement that I hate the kid. Please tell me that you did that in the heat of the moment. if you go back and read what I said was that Henrik might upset Noah in three sets, and Lederman will give him a tough match, which indeed it turned out to be (lederman had three consecutive match points). I predicted other seeds to be upset as well but somehow that did not strike a chord with you. Only my prediction against the top seed did?!
Other posters on this thread were making comments about players having no chance of winning, or being mentally fragile or being given too much credit and somehow that was not considered ill-intended or malicious, but a mere prediction of a top seed going out early leads you to believe I hate the kid?!!! That is not fair! I think my posts are very respectful and not intended to offend anyone. I was merely rendering my opinion. like everyone else.
1. Rubin is one of my favorites, so I was quite shocked when you made that comment about Thai being a better player.
2. I was wondering if you bore any ill-will towards him because of the consistent pattern of expecting him to lose against much lesser ranked opponents. I know hate is a strong word. I meant it more as like do you have a negative impression of him and/or just don't think he is as good as his rankings or previous accomplishments indicate? To compare, I have pretty much written off Dennis Novikov as a hopeless player even though he just won Kalamazoo and did well at the US Open. I don't literally "hate" him as I know nothing about who he is outside of tennis, but I do view his tennis game in a pretty negative light and usually expect him to lose. So I wanted to know is that kind of how you view Noah?
3. You were VERY respectful and I saw no intention to offend anyone. None of your comments were offensive or malicious. Also, I definitely respect your opinion. It seems like you have seen many of these junior players in person, which is a very valuable perspective.
4. I genuinely want (I'm practically dying) to know what from the games, playing styles, results, accomplishments and history of the two players have led you to infer the statement that "Thai is a better tennis player" than Noah. I haven't seen either in person, but outside of that I see next to nothing that would back up that statement.
All that said and done.... Rubin has been struggling all week so I do think Kwiatkowski will win tomorrow :lol:
1. Rubin is one of my favorites, so I was quite shocked when you made that comment about Thai being a better player.
2. I was wondering if you bore any ill-will towards him because of the consistent pattern of expecting him to lose against much lesser ranked opponents. I know hate is a strong word. I meant it more as like do you have a negative impression of him and/or just don't think he is as good as his rankings or previous accomplishments indicate? To compare, I have pretty much written off Dennis Novikov as a hopeless player even though he just won Kalamazoo and did well at the US Open. I don't literally "hate" him as I know nothing about who he is outside of tennis, but I do view his tennis game in a pretty negative light and usually expect him to lose. So I wanted to know is that kind of how you view Noah?
3. You were VERY respectful and I saw no intention to offend anyone. None of your comments were offensive or malicious. Also, I definitely respect your opinion. It seems like you have seen many of these junior players in person, which is a very valuable perspective.
4. I genuinely want (I'm practically dying) to know what from the games, playing styles, results, accomplishments and history of the two players have led you to infer the statement that "Thai is a better tennis player" than Noah. I haven't seen either in person, but outside of that I see next to nothing that would back up that statement.
All that said and done.... Rubin has been struggling all week so I do think Kwiatkowski will win tomorrow :lol:
I have seen all these kids play at one time or another and most of them recently. I don t think little of Rubin s game at all. I think he s ranked according to his results and ability to compete pretty well. He is certainly a more mature player than any other junior we discussed on these boards. He comes prepared for every match and gives it his best effort, and he is more professional in his approach. That being said, I think he s tapping into the maximum of his ability both physically and game wise. Other players have ways to go in terms of development and maturing not so much physically but in other ways.
I think Noah will reach at least a top 5 itf ranking and will be a very decorated junior in the world. There are players that Noah has trouble beating, such as steady baseliners, ala Lederman, Kruger, Schnieder and to a lesser extent Weirsholm. That s why I predicted that he may be tired after his Davis cup odyssey and could go down to Lederman . That is all! No alterior motives, no dislike and certainly no hate. Just observations and some subjective use of logic.
I do realize that Lederman and henrik are ranked way lower but not because of their ability but cause they do not play a full itf schedule. Ranking do tell the story but there are subplots sometimes. I think you base your opinions on just numbers and rankings, where I had the opportunity to see these kids play and therefore can render a little insight beyond the dry statistics.
Di Feo s style is just making balls and no finishing shot. Has good hands at the net, good dubs player. Bad matchup for him against Rubin. Rubin in straights, no more than 7 games for Hugo. Rubin will have time on Hugo s ball and won t be rushed, when that happens rubin wins most of the time
Di Feo s FH a liability, rubin will feast on that.
BTW, I'm still upset about yesterday, rain . The USTA needs to do something about Spencer's game, he needs to learn how to adapt to quicker surface. His indoor results are atrocious. Send Spencer to train in New York for the winter or something, would greatly improve his doubles game as well. Thank goodness the rain came later into the week unlike at 53 Trofeo Bonfiglio where he lost badly to a local wildcard in the first round 36 16
Of all the players train at Boca, I think Stefan is the only one capable of playing well on all surfaces. Thai can only play on fast surface, Spencer only on slow outdoor or clay, Luca is well Luca (struggling).
Papa was very good on fast surfaces before he started training in Boca. He did have a breakthrough on clay this year. He could definitely use some help with dubs play which will make him a better singles player on faster surfaces where he has less time to produce his shots. Kozlov is Kozlov, so he can play on Mars. Redlicki can play better indoors and fast outdoor. His lack of movement can be exposed on clay easier, although he did well in delray. Thai and Corinteli need to step up. They are both trying to get back into playing more aggressive style quick worked for them before. There is a trend with kids out of Boca, they stop playing aggressive and attacking style and back up a few feet. It s a shame since there are very able kids going through the training there and they level off after a few years there.
It s no coincidence that Rubin, Kruger, Tiafoe, Mmoh are competing better than Boca kids. Even Paul started playing looser and better after leaving Boca. Rubin played a subpar level in Tulsa and yet won it because he out competed everyone.
Other similarities: both were or are promoted by Johnny Mac and both are small in stature and yet are way ahead of their peers. Let s just hope that the similarities end there, otherwise the great success in juniors will be the biggest accomplishment. But I think Rubin is a way too smart of a kid and has a pretty good team of people around him.
(1)Mischa Zverev (GER) vs (q)Bjorn Fratangelo (USA) (WC)Alexios Halebian (USA) vs Jeff Dadamo (USA)
Nicolas Meister (USA) vs Edward Corrie (GBR)
Joshua Milton (GBR) vs (5)Daniel Smethurst (GBR)
(3)Samuel Groth (AUS) vs (WC)Harrison Adams (USA)
(q)Phillip Simmonds (USA) vs (q)Mohamed Abid (TUN)
(q)Nick Chappell (USA) vs (WC)Dmitriy Minkin (RUS) Christian Harrison (USA) vs (7)Taro Daniel (JPN)
(8)Fritz Wolmarans (RSA) vs (WC)Julian Lenz (GER)
Austin Krajicek (USA) vs (q)Chris Wettengel (USA)
Carsten Ball (AUS) vs Takanyi Garanganga (ZIM) (q)Mitchell Krueger (USA) vs (4)Tennys Sandgren (USA)
(6)Roman Borvanov (MDA) vs Devin Britton (USA)
Chris Guccione (AUS) vs (q)Marvin Barker (NZL)
Chase Buchanan (USA) vs (q)Eric Quigley (USA)
Daniel Garza (MEX) vs (2)Alex Kuznetsov (USA)
This is a tough future, not like the next week s one. Birmingham will be the place to get easy points!
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