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Old 12-05-2012, 09:54 PM   #1209
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Originally Posted by The Bulldog View Post
I did feel really guilty… until I saw that you won anyway.
Ah, but that is a consequentialist argument which I reject. What matters isn't the outcome of your action, but your action itself.


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You'd feel guilty that you intruded on something strange, and wonderfully interesting, but perhaps a little mean, and maybe quite inappropriate. That kind if sums up my way of thinking. My mind, and all the pearls that live inside its murky waters. So is that a rough idea?
Huh??? Yes it's a rough idea...a really, REALLY rough idea.

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I'm sorry, I'm not in the right mood to talk about this. I'll respond properly when I'm not dreaming amongst the stars.
sorry, I am obsessed with this week's class because I found it so interesting. I did all my readings plus an extra article. Usually I'm struggling to finish the essential readings.


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I am having strange sensations tonight. It's fabulous.
That sounds interesting...are you ok?

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Originally Posted by Kat_YYZ View Post
one life = one life. If you would sacrifice 1 for 5 in the first example, then you should in the second one, too. We don't know if the person in the first example is fat or not. It shouldn't matter.

Anyway I think in the second example it's a fat guy because you need a fat guy to stop a train. It'll just run right through a skinny guy. Not discrimination, just physics.
(I hope dark humour is not a bannable offence)

Trip: ask if the guy in the first example is fat, too. Ask for pics.
I think the difference between the two examples is the level of your involvement in that one person's death. Most people apparently feel more comfortable with pushing a lever to redirect the trolley to kill the one unfortunate person ("collateral damage") than to actually use their hands to push the fat man onto the tracks to stop the trolley. But I do see your point that a life is a life, and that if you'd do it in the first scenario, you should do it in the second as well.

And yes, I think that was what my professor was trying to say - that the man has to be fat to stop the trolley. This is so ridiculous though. I should've posted these scenarios here last night; totally would've asked in class if the guy in the first example is fat too if you'd given me the idea yesterday.

Oh my god I need to study.
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