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krakenzero 02-13-2007 12:11 AM

For Spanish speakers only... reasons of Chile's collapse in DC
 
http://www.movias.com/foros/index.ph...topic=310&st=0

¿POR QUÉ SE PERDIÓ?

Factor 1 - Igor Andreev: Cuando se supo que Igor Andreev sería el segundo singlista todo parecía indicar que Marat Safin sería el encargado de echarse el equipo ruso al hombro. Todos sacaban cálculos optimistas, pensando que Fernando González ganaría sus dos puntos, pero en caso que perdiese con Safin, al menos Massú podría ganarle a Andreev. Entonces, con el dobles nos bastaría, porque a Andeev se la ganaría los dos partidos. Craso error. El mejor jugador de toda la serie fue Igor Andreev. El estandarte de los rusos fue Igor Andreev. El verdugo de los chilenos fue Igor Andreev. Es cierto que el Fernando González del viernes no fue el mismo del último tiempo y es cierto que Nicolás Massú ya no es el tenista peligroso de antes. Pero no deja de ser menos cierto que Igor Andreev derrotó a ambos. En Chile, en arcilla, con diez mil personas en contra y en Copa Davis. Y, por si fuera poco, jugando a gran nivel. Nada más que decir.

Factor 2 - Irregular nivel de los chilenos: Fernando González sólo jugó en su mejor nivel el domingo ante Safin y Nicolás Massú sólo destacó en el dobles. Frente a Andreev ambos jugaron mal. Y así no se puede. Así de simple. Que la cancha, que el clima, que Andreev, que el tirón, que el cansancio, que la adaptación. Los rusos tuvieron el mismo tiempo para adaptarse y además tenían un estadio entero en contra. Pero jugaron bien o, mejor dicho, fueron más regulares.

Factor 3 - Malas decisiones técnicas: Los jugadores pueden andar mal o pueden equivocarse y eso está dentro de lo lógico. Y para eso está el capitán, que no sólo se preocupa de estar sentado en la silla, entregar las nóminas y decidir quién juega y quién no juega. El capitán es un LÍDER, un MOTIVADOR, un PSICÓLOGO, un AMIGO y, además, un ESTRATEGA. Pero Hans Gildemeister estuvo lejos de ser todo eso. Pero aún, se despachó frases como "todos sabíamos que Nicolás perdería el viernes", "yo le dije a Nicolás que no importaba que perdiera, que lo importante era cansarlo" o "lo importante es llegar al quinto punto". Además, le faltó autoridad, coraje y osadía para hacer algo que muchos pensamos que debió realizar: jugársela con Paul Capdeville. No había que ser genio para darse cuenta que Massú llegó resentido a esta serie y después del dobles quedó aún en peores condiciones físicas. Los golpes de Massú no estaban dañando, mientras que los de Andreev si lo hacían. Pienso que la opción era incluir a Paul Capdeville, un hombre lleno de hambre tenística, con un GRAN revés, un interesante saque y con muchas ganas de demostrar su valía dentro del equipo de Copa Davis. Quizás hubiese perdido, quizás hubiese ganado, pero estoy seguro que habría DAÑADO mucho más al ruso, desde el comienzo. Además, estaba en óptimas condiciones físicas y estoy convencido que no le habría afectado en lo psicológico el tener que definir la serie. Pero Hans no quiso poner a Paul...o no pudo.

Factor 4 - La superficie escogida: Se tomó la decisión de jugar en arcilla a nivel del mar para incomodar y perjudicar a los rusos. Pero al final, le hicieron un gran favor a Andreev (jugador arcillero) y a Safin (que sabe adaptarse a la arcilla). Por contrapartida, perjudicaron a Fernando González y Paul Capdeville, jugadores de canchas rápidas. Jugar en la arcilla de Santiago o Rancagua habría sido lo más aconsejable, además por un tema climático: hacerlos jugar con más de 30º de temperatura y con poco humedad ambiental. Como consejo: lo importante es que nuestros jugadores estén cómodos.

Factor 5 - Irresponsabilidad: Aquí todos tienen su culpa. La federación por siempre poner en primer lugar la parte económica, lo cual, en este caso, les significó entregar el estadio sobre la hora, con una cancha en pésimas condiciones y un estadio que, por lo que he escuchado, no tenía buena infraestructura, ni tampoco buenos accesos. Además, cobraron los precios MÁS CAROS de TODAS las series del Grupo Mundial. El capitán, por dejar que un jugador lesionado y en baja forma tenística jugase el punto decisivo y, peor aún, sabiendo que ya tenía dos partidos en el cuerpo. Nicolás Massú, por no saber cuando se puede y cuando no se puede. Era muy bonita la idea ser el héroe y darle el quinto punto a Chile, pero cuando se está lesionado, se está lesionado. Y punto. Fernando González, por perder un partido que NO TENDRÍA QUE HABER PERDIDO. Si Fernando hubiese jugado en su 80% lo ganaba.

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It is mentioned that Massu played injured instead of a healthy Capdeville... What happened really?? If it's true, it was negligence of the team captain?? or irresponsability of Massu?? What do you think??:eek: :eek:

Personally, I think that Tarpischev stomped Gildemeister:rolleyes: ...

ChinoRios4Ever 02-13-2007 01:21 AM

Re: For Spanish speakers only... reasons of Chile's collapse in DC
 
hey krakenzero, you must put this on feña and nico forums...

there are a lot of reasons for this sadly loss: massu's mental issues, feña poor form on friday, andreev played superb, etc etc etc

NicoFan 02-13-2007 01:27 AM

Re: For Spanish speakers only... reasons of Chile's collapse in DC
 
I agree - I think a mod should move it. I was just waiting for one of the Chileans to say it first.

There was enough Nico and Fernando bashing yesterday on GM.

Move it to one of their forums where the people who care about the two fo them can have a serious discussion about it.

EDIT: Unfortunately there isn't a moderator in sight to move it now. :sad:

Julio1974 02-13-2007 01:29 AM

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Es tan facil opinar on el diario del lunes....

Massu in one leg can do better than Capdeville. Anyone really think Capdeville had a chance against Andreev, who just squashed a top 5 player like Gonzalez on Fridat? Despite not being 100% fit, Massu took one set and fought like hell. He simply lost to the better player yesterday and there isn't anything to blame on him.

ChinoRios4Ever 02-13-2007 01:35 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Julio1974 (Post 4861234)
Es tan facil opinar on el diario del lunes....

Massu in one leg can do better than Capdeville. Anyone really think Capdeville had a chance against Andreev, who just squashed a top 5 player like Gonzalez on Fridat? Despite not being 100% fit, Massu took one set and fought like hell. He simply lost to the better player yesterday and there isn't anything to blame on him.

hard to say for me as a chilean, but Capdeville has ZERO chance to win any live rubber against Russia... Massu in one leg was the better chance in this tie... he has lot of experience, some players still repect him, he knows how to play big matches, was the only option...

with this poor Massu's form the Gonzalez' loss to Andreev was the key for the loss... we wanted the 3 gonzo's points and we lost 1 of thoses points...

shotgun 02-13-2007 01:40 AM

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It's easy to criticize the captain after a tie is lost. I remember Gildemeister was criticized in Chile last year for picking Capdeville/Garcia to face the Bryans, so that Gonzo and Massu could rest for the Sunday matches. Now they're criticizing him for not picking Capdeville to play a live decisive rubber.

P.S.: For now I don't see a reason to move the thread, unless the thread starter asks to do so.

Hendu 02-13-2007 05:56 AM

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Nonsense.

Massu is a fighter and gave everythimg he had. Capdeville couldn't have done better than him.

Chile is a two player team while playing in the World Group, and if one of those two players is unfit, then their chances to win shrink, specially if they are playing against a team like Russia.

Thats the main reason Chile lost: the lack of a quality third player.

Action Jackson 02-13-2007 06:01 AM

Re: For Spanish speakers only... reasons of Chile's collapse in DC
 
Massu is struggling at the moment for whatever reasons and Capdeville wouldn't have done any better in this situation.

Andreev was inspired this weekend and Gonzalez was the main man for Chile and he needed to win both his singles and he couldn't get that happening.

cobalt60 02-13-2007 12:45 PM

Re: For Spanish speakers only... reasons of Chile's collapse in DC
 
Interesting. Thanks for printing. I think anycountry/media after a lose is looking for reasons why it happened. Human nature to try and figure out why so that if given the opportunity again, different decisions can be made.

Here it is translated:

WHY IT WAS LOST? Factor 1 - Igor Andreev: When one knew that Igor Andreev it would be the second singlista everything seemed to indicate that Marat Safin would be the one in charge to lie down the Russian equipment to the shoulder. All removed optimistic calculations, thinking that Fernando González would gain his two points, but in case it lost with Safin, Massú could at least win to him to Andreev. Then, with the double ones it would be enough to us, because to Andeev one would gain parties both. Craso error. The best player of all the series was Igor Andreev. The standard of the Russians was Igor Andreev. The twig of the Chileans was Igor Andreev. It is certain that the Fernando González of Friday was not the same one of the last time and is certain that Nicholas Massú no longer is the dangerous tennis player of before. But it does not stop being less certain that Igor Andreev it defeated to both. In Chile, clay, with ten thousand people in against and in Glass Davis. And, in case it go little, playing great level. Nothing else that to say. Factor 2 - Irregular level of the Chileans: Fernando González only played in his better level Sunday before Safin and Nicholas Massú only emphasized in the doubles. As opposed to Andreev both played bad. And thus not it can. That simple. That the field, that the climate, that Andreev, that the pull, that the fatigue, that the adaptation. The Russians had the same time to adapt and in addition they had a whole stage in against. But they played or or, rather, they were the more regular. Factor 3 - Bad technical decisions: The players can walk bad or can be mistaken and that is within the logical thing. And for that he is the captain, who not only worries to be seated in the chair, to give the lists and to decide who plays and who does not play. The captain is a LEADER, a MOTIVADOR, a PSYCHOLOGIST, a FRIEND and, in addition, a STRATEGIST. But Hans Gildemeister was far from being all that. But still, one dispatched phrases as "all we knew that Nicholas would lose Friday", "I I said to him to Nicholas who did not matter that he lost, that the important era to tire it" or "the important thing is to arrive at the fifth point". In addition, it needed authority, anger and osadía to do something that many we thought that it had to make: to play it to it with Paul Capdeville. It was not necessary to be genius to realize that Massú arrived suffered at this series and after the doubles it still was in worse physical training conditionses. The blows of Massú were not damaging, whereas those of Andreev if they did it. I think that the option was to include Paul Capdeville, a full man of tenística hunger, with a GREAT misfortune, an interesting serve and with many desire to demonstrate his it was worth within the equipment of Glass Davis. Perhaps perhaps it had lost, had won, but I am sure that IT WOULD MUCH MORE HAVE DAMAGED the Russian, from the beginning. In addition, it was in optimal physical training conditionses and I am convinced that it would not have affected to him in psychological having to define the series. But Hans did not want to put Paul... or it could not. Factor 4 - The selected surface: The decision was taken to play in clay level of the sea to incomodar and to harm the Russians. But in the end, they did a great favor to him to Andreev (arcillero player) and Safin (that knows to adapt to the clay). By counterpart, they harmed to Fernando González and Paul Capdeville, players of fast fields. To play in the clay of Santiago or Rancagua would have been most advisable, in addition by a climatic subject: to make them play with more of 30º of temperature and little environmental humidity. Like advice: the important thing is that our players are comfortable. Factor 5 - Irresponsibility: Here all are their guilty. The federation always to put in the first place the part economic, which, in this case, meant to give the stage to them on the hour, with a field in terrible conditions and a stage that, reason why I have not listened, did not have good infrastructure, nor either good accesses. In addition, they received the MOST EXPENSIVE prices of ALL the series of the World-wide Group. The captain, to leave a player injured and in low tenística form played the tactically important point and, worse still, knowing than already he had two parties in the body. Nicholas Massú, by not knowing when he can and when not he can. The idea was very pretty to be the hero and to give the fifth point to Chile, but when it has injured itself, it has injured itself. And point. Fernando González, to lose a party that HE WOULD NOT HAVE TO HAVE LOST. If Fernando had played in his 80% he gained it.

Andre♥ 02-13-2007 12:48 PM

Re: For Spanish speakers only... reasons of Chile's collapse in DC
 
Funny article.

In fact, the journalist blames everything. Gonzo, Massu, coach, russian team, surface, location...

NicoFan 02-13-2007 01:12 PM

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:lol: :lol:

It is a funny article.

With the translation, the ideas sound even more silly than in the original Spanish. :lol: :lol:

As soon as you read that Hans should have used Paul, then you know the writer hasn't a clue.

Davis Cup is over.

It was no one's fault.

They just lost. Happens everyday in sports. You think you are going to win, you end up losing to the better team on that day (or weekend in this case).

And to be honest, I expected a close tie that could go either way. Safin is an excellent player, Igor is going to be a top player.

Time to move on.

:lol: :lol:

Juliet 02-13-2007 01:53 PM

Re: For Spanish speakers only... reasons of Chile's collapse in DC
 
These articles get on my nerves. They're usually very well written (in terms of structure), but mean nothing. I think it's valid to discuss what happened, but as Sylvester says, the writer blames everything! So he (or she) has no clue of what really went on! ;)

Well said, Nicofan, DC is over for Chile now. Time to move on.

MariaV 02-13-2007 02:02 PM

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Yeah, sorry for all the lovely Chile supporters but things happen. :hug:
And Igor Andreev was near to crack the top 20 last spring when he got that bad knee injury and he already is a great player so no shame to lose to him. Now the Chileans will remember him.

zicofirol 02-13-2007 03:44 PM

Re: For Spanish speakers only... reasons of Chile's collapse in DC
 
capdeville would of given a better game, for sure, maybe even garcia. If anyone saw the game, massu just couldnt do anything he was severely outplayed. Also in Viña Capdeville should of beaten Massu when they played, he gave that game away.

for those criticizing the article, first its not from a newspaper or anything like that, its just from a chilean tennis forum...

Juliet 02-13-2007 03:50 PM

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doesn't matter where it comes from...


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