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Super Djoker 08-05-2013 10:30 PM

Developing your game
 
Hi everyone my names Matt , I am a recreational player who has been playing for about 3 and a half years. I come from Shropshire in England.


I started out just getting coaching at a local club. When I started playing at the club I still hadn't mastered the art of the serve , I bowled it in and did so for about 3 months until I saw a different coach where I quickly learnt a flat serve . [/. ]The first coach to teach me a serve was trying to teach me a topspin serve . I got to grips with how to hit the topspin serve shortly after . To cut a long story short I can now do a topspin and flat serve as well as a kick serve (and a few variations of the kick), And also a slice serve . I am quite bad tempered sometimes .

But recently my game seems to have declined .At doubles I play very well . Very aggressive with good placement but at singles I seem to have lost something , somebody I used to have close games with has beaten me 6-0 in our last 2 full sets and it's really frustrating . I can't get it past him . He plays almost the exact same kind of game as me only he has a huge serve . Mine is pretty big but I serve with more variety . Any tips on what to do with my game , Also how has your game changed since you started tennis ?

T.C 08-06-2013 01:13 AM

Re: Developing your game
 
any idea why you are losing?

if your weapon has gone AWOL, a good pro should be able to point out what you're doing wrong.

maybe your opponent has learned your weakness and is now exploiting it?

is your shot selection an issue?


my game has changed in that i'm slower so i'm working on improving my footwork and anticipation because i can't compensate with speed anymore. as my coach said, "your strokes are beautiful and some of the most natural i've seen, but none of that matters if you can't get to the ball" :lol:

Super Djoker 08-06-2013 08:29 PM

Re: Developing your game
 
I maybe hit my second serves too hard, double faulting can be a issue . Also i have a minor shoulder injury that comes back now and again. I think i do sometimes come into net at the wrong time. we,ve played in the wet both times that he's hammered me, one time it wasent that wet thought .

I often find whoever dictates the tempo tends to win in the wet. he managed to win a point after i lobbed him , which really knock my confidence when i should win the point.

Not being able to get a solid footing does limit the power i can put behind my shots (same for everyone) but i don't see why he can sus it out and i can't . maybe i have just started being too cagey against him

Super Djoker 08-07-2013 01:42 AM

Re: Developing your game
 
My shot selection can be bad at times . I like to hit hard and flat when I am more inside the baseline . I do tend to follow up lobbing someone by coming into the net , I also time coming in badly sometimes and get passed easily . He's a good player but very similar to me . That's why I find it so confusing .

T.C 08-07-2013 04:11 AM

do you actually have a game plan against this guy? you've played him several times - do you know his weaknesses, his tendencies?

your second serve should be bomb proof. many people don't practice their second serves enough even though most play with their second serves. play practice matches with just one serve - that sorts out your second serve pretty quickly.

to help with shot selection, I like playing set pieces (carried from badminton training). you get muscle memory, more reaction/instinct and less thinking involved which usually means less choking.


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dunlopkickserve 08-10-2013 09:48 PM

Re: Developing your game
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Super Djoker (Post 17152537)
Hi everyone my names Matt , I am a recreational player who has been playing for about 3 and a half years. I come from Shropshire in England.


I started out just getting coaching at a local club. When I started playing at the club I still hadn't mastered the art of the serve , I bowled it in and did so for about 3 months until I saw a different coach where I quickly learnt a flat serve . [/. ]The first coach to teach me a serve was trying to teach me a topspin serve . I got to grips with how to hit the topspin serve shortly after . To cut a long story short I can now do a topspin and flat serve as well as a kick serve (and a few variations of the kick), And also a slice serve . I am quite bad tempered sometimes .

But recently my game seems to have declined .At doubles I play very well . Very aggressive with good placement but at singles I seem to have lost something , somebody I used to have close games with has beaten me 6-0 in our last 2 full sets and it's really frustrating . I can't get it past him . He plays almost the exact same kind of game as me only he has a huge serve . Mine is pretty big but I serve with more variety . Any tips on what to do with my game , Also how has your game changed since you started tennis ?

TBH wouldn't bother spending the money to get coached up on serving. Spend the money on getting a hopper and a few cans of balls. I unfortunately haven't had the chance to get any coaching, but I've gotten myself to a 4.0 level by playing a lot of matches and putting the time in on my serve. In fact, it's my biggest weapon. If you just work on technique you can get it over 100+ mph with a little work. I've modeled my serve after Tommy Haas and it's worked very well for me throughout the past 10 years.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rel60kMm53c

Super Djoker 08-11-2013 01:03 PM

Re: Developing your game
 
Well I played this guy again and lost 6-2 . I feel my confidence has come back a bit with that . He has got a huge serve thought . I can't seem to handle really hard serves down the line .

HKz 08-15-2013 01:56 AM

Re: Developing your game
 
Didn't read through everything, but I get the gist of it..

Really the only way to gain progress in tennis especially after you've learned the basics in the game is to play loads of matches and gain confidence. Mental sterngth is everything (as we used to say at the tennis academy I attended long ago, tennis is 80% mental, 10% physical, 5% talent and 5% luck...I'm sure others have heard similar breakdowns) so playing more matches win or lose will only make you more comfortable with your game. Of course it helps if you win, but either way there is nothing like match practice.

If you can't get as many matches as you would like, what almost always helps in tennis is improving your physical abilities like your stamina, footwork, running speed, core training, cardio, etc. The mental boost and confidence you get from knowing that you have a physically strong body is tremendous. Either you'll feel at the very least that you can outlast your opponent and you'll be less tired during rallies which would allow you to focus more on other aspects of your game.

colchambers 09-10-2013 11:53 AM

Re: Developing your game
 
Two things

1) You can improve your serve at home in your garden with some foam balls. To get a rhythm on my serve I just grab my racquet and serve in my garden or anywhere that's convenient. This way I can really go to town and explore what works for me. I can also slow my technique down and see what's getting in the way while still doing a proper serve. My dog loves fetching the ball for me.

2) Have you heard of the all court forcing game. I have the same problem against certain opponents. What I have found is that my game essentially feeds them. I give them the shots they like. To beat them I have to go outside my comfort zone and often not attack as much.

It seemed weird at first. Rallying more and waiting but I learnt it was about court positioning and waiting for the right ball. Fuzzyyellowballs did some online strategy courses which really helped me with this. Understanding which shots hurt your opponent and which might actually hurt you. The inside out forehand can be a good example.

What I basically found is that the harder I attacked the faster the ball would come back. I made all the effort and my opponents just redirected it back at me. So I would often still be landing from my serve when it flew by me out of reach. So I learnt how to vary my spins to vary the pace of the ball. I often use slice to slow the ball up so I can get in good position so my opponent has a smaller target to aim at for winners.

Let me know if this is any use to you. It sounds more like a strategy issue than a technical one. Fitness is very helpful but it is most important to know when and how to use your shots instead of just hitting what feels good.

There is a lot of good online instruction which I use instead of paying a coach. Essentialtennis, Jim Mclennan and FuzzyYellowBalls are a couple of examples.

HTH

Super Djoker 09-21-2013 07:06 PM

Re: Developing your game
 
Managed to play 5 sets of singles today , with plenty of doubles too . Played a epic set against a pusher . Scraped threw 7-5 . Also managed 4 sets with a Tennis Warhorse . Lost them all to 0 . : (

Super Djoker 09-30-2013 10:19 PM

Re: Developing your game
 
Fucked up a mixed doubles semi at a club because I had trainers that were too small. Also got into a silly habit of trying to lob a guy that's about 6,1 he just kept doing shit volley's that did't bounce . Lost 7-5 , 3-6 , 6-3 . Really pathetic !

Super Djoker 10-30-2013 10:09 AM

Re: Developing your game
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by uchickenvn (Post 18956409)
Can you record your match & upload the video next time?

yeah sure il try , I was just very miffed with my last post . Just totally ruined my game wearing awful footwear.

Super Djoker 02-09-2014 12:52 AM

Re: Developing your game
 
Had a tough couple of matches today . Learning the hard way that the only way to get any good and to be able to actually beat good players is to be aggressive, go for winners . Nothing else really cuts it against good opposition.

Super Djoker 02-09-2014 07:25 PM

Re: Developing your game
 
Was playing aggressive today but still lost 0 1 0 0 0 .

Super Djoker 03-06-2014 12:08 AM

Re: Developing your game
 
Won again in the ladder 7-6 (1) , 6-3 . Moved down a bit but back up one spot with this .


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