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Snowwy 04-02-2013 12:27 AM

Eliminate the Permaban - Jelena
 
Originally posted by Jelena

Kick out the permaban. Permaban is like a death sentence for this forum, that's why I think it should be abolished. The system Slasher suggested is imo very good.

Mimi 04-02-2013 03:31 AM

Re: Eliminate the Permaban - Jelena
 
Yes. I agree with Jelena.

3DGNumberOneFan 04-02-2013 03:31 AM

Re: Eliminate the Permaban - Jelena
 
This is a great idea. Also bringing back all permabanned users

Punky 04-02-2013 05:28 AM

Re: Eliminate the Permaban - Jelena
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 3DGNumberOneFan (Post 14445842)
This is a great idea. Also bringing back all permabanned users

your super new, never spoken to any of them and u want to bring all of them back? :rolleyes:



i totally disagree, i do think that every case is very different then the other so maybe theres a way to bring back a few but im not sure it will be fair to the others who wouldnt be able to come back.

Slasher1985 04-02-2013 06:11 AM

Re: Eliminate the Permaban - Jelena
 
Thank you Snowwy for mitigating towards more forum transparency and allowing such debates to be discussed.

I would propose the replacement of the permanent ban rule using the following guidelines:

Code:

Offense                       
Extreme racist remarks              1 year at first red;
                              2 years with each additional red
Discriminatory remarks        6 months at first red;
                              1 year at second red;
                              2 years with each additional red
Wishing injury                3 months at first red;
                              4 months at second red;
                              6 months at third red;
                              1 year at fourth red;
                              2 years with each additional red
Wishing death                  3 months at first red; 
                              6 months at second red;
                              1 year at third red;
                              2 years with each additional red
Uttering threats              2 months at first red; 
                              4 months at second red;
                              6 months at third red;
                              1 year at fourth red;
                              2 years with each additional red
Multiple accounts              6 months at first red;
                              1 year at second red;
                              2 years with each additional red

Harassment                    1 month at first red; 
                              2 months at second red;
                              4 months at third red; 
                              6 months at fourth red;
                              1 year with each additional red
Violation of privacy          2 months at first red;
                              4 months at second red; 
                              6 months at third red;
                              1 year with each additional red
Moderator bashing              2 weeks at first red; 
                              3 weeks at second red;
                              1 month at third red;
                              2 months at fourth red;
                              4 months at fifth red; 
                              6 months with each additional red
Porn/Inappropriate images      2 weeks at first red; 
                              3 weeks at second red;
                              1 month at third red;
                              2 months at fourth red;
                              4 months at fifth red; 
                              6 months with each additional red
Signature rule violation      1 week at first red; 
                              2 weeks at second red;
                              3 weeks at third red;
                              1 month at fourth red;
                              2 months at fifth red; 
                              3 months with each additional red
Editing a mod's changes        1 week at first red; 
                              2 weeks at second red;
                              3 weeks at third red;
                              1 month at fourth red;
                              2 months at fifth red; 
                              4 months with each additional red
Posting for banned member      1 week at first red; 
                              2 weeks at second red;
                              3 weeks at third red;
                              1 month at fourth red;
                              2 months at fifth red; 
                              4 months with each additional red
Personal attack                5 days at first red; 
                              10 days at second red;
                              3 weeks at third red;
                              1 month at fourth red;
                              2 months at fifth red; 
                              3 months with each additional red
Inappropriate language        5 days at first red; 
                              10 days at second red;
                              3 weeks at third red;
                              1 month at fourth red;
                              2 months at fifth red; 
                              3 months with each additional red
Forum disruptions              3 days at first red; 
                              7 days at second red;
                              10 days at third red;
                              3 weeks at fourth red;
                              1 month at fifth red; 
                              2 months with each additional red
Baiting                        3 days at first red; 
                              7 days at second red;
                              10 days at third red;
                              3 weeks at fourth red;
                              1 month at fifth red; 
                              2 months with each additional red
Trolling                      2 days at first red; 
                              4 days at second red;
                              6 days at third red;
                              10 days at fourth red;
                              3 weeks at fifth red; 
                              1 month with each additional red
Doping Allegetions            3 days at first red; 
                              7 days at second red;
                              10 days at third red;
                              3 weeks at fourth red;
                              1 month at fifth red; 
                              2 months with each additional red
Match Fixing Allegations      3 days at first red; 
                              7 days at second red;
                              10 days at third red;
                              3 weeks at fourth red;
                              1 month at fifth red; 
                              2 months with each additional red

The users previously banned permanently should be punished according to these rules and allowed to return only after their punishment is complete. I would like to ask the Mods and Admins if they think that these punishment periods are severe enough or if they want to increase the periods for each red card.

Also, I have no problem if the offenses I marked in red are eventually punished with permanent bans (suggested by our good friends Masterclass and Amber), since they are truly a problem in online communities. So long as the 15 offenses = permaban rule falls and no other less severe offense is given a permaban.

Also, I do think we should host another thread with a poll and global announcement starting on April 15th and have a forum vote for this rule.

Orka_n 04-02-2013 06:44 AM

When I saw this thread, I thought Jelena had been permabanned and I was prepared to rip snowwy a new one. That would've probable resulted in my 2nd mod bashing ban lol

Interesting idea though. I need to think about it but it might be possible.

masterclass 04-02-2013 08:10 AM

Re: Eliminate the Permaban - Jelena
 
Allowing some of the previous permabanned users to return is easy.

If permabans will not be given anymore for some of the reasons such as exceeding a total of non-serious/extreme offenses, or an offense that caused one to go over some maximum limit (15), then allow any of the users that were permabanned for those reasons to post again.

Users that were banned for serious offenses which shall continue to have a permaban, shall stay banned.

If permabans are completely done away with, then they should all be allowed to post again if due to their absence, they've served the maximum time for the offense.

Respectfully,
masterclass

chalkdust 04-02-2013 08:46 AM

Re: Eliminate the Permaban - Jelena
 
I support this proposal, although I wouldn't mind a half-way house where permabans are kept for the most serious offences.

I think a review of historic bans would also be a nice idea, judged according to whatever new rules are adopted.

Great to see this proposal linked from a GM sticky!!

Mimi 04-02-2013 09:13 AM

Re: Eliminate the Permaban - Jelena
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Slasher1985 (Post 14446338)
Thank you Snowwy for mitigating towards more forum transparency and allowing such debates to be discussed.

I would propose the replacement of the permanent ban rule using the following guidelines:

Code:

Offense                       
Extreme racist remarks              1 year at first red;
                              2 years with each additional red
Discriminatory remarks        6 months at first red;
                              1 year at second red;
                              2 years with each additional red
Wishing injury                3 months at first red;
                              4 months at second red;
                              6 months at third red;
                              1 year at fourth red;
                              2 years with each additional red
Wishing death                  3 months at first red; 
                              6 months at second red;
                              1 year at third red;
                              2 years with each additional red
Uttering threats              2 months at first red; 
                              4 months at second red;
                              6 months at third red;
                              1 year at fourth red;
                              2 years with each additional red
Multiple accounts              6 months at first red;
                              1 year at second red;
                              2 years with each additional red

Harassment                    1 month at first red; 
                              2 months at second red;
                              4 months at third red; 
                              6 months at fourth red;
                              1 year with each additional red
Violation of privacy          2 months at first red;
                              4 months at second red; 
                              6 months at third red;
                              1 year with each additional red
Moderator bashing              2 weeks at first red; 
                              3 weeks at second red;
                              1 month at third red;
                              2 months at fourth red;
                              4 months at fifth red; 
                              6 months with each additional red
Porn/Inappropriate images      2 weeks at first red; 
                              3 weeks at second red;
                              1 month at third red;
                              2 months at fourth red;
                              4 months at fifth red; 
                              6 months with each additional red
Signature rule violation      1 week at first red; 
                              2 weeks at second red;
                              3 weeks at third red;
                              1 month at fourth red;
                              2 months at fifth red; 
                              3 months with each additional red
Editing a mod's changes        1 week at first red; 
                              2 weeks at second red;
                              3 weeks at third red;
                              1 month at fourth red;
                              2 months at fifth red; 
                              4 months with each additional red
Posting for banned member      1 week at first red; 
                              2 weeks at second red;
                              3 weeks at third red;
                              1 month at fourth red;
                              2 months at fifth red; 
                              4 months with each additional red
Personal attack                5 days at first red; 
                              10 days at second red;
                              3 weeks at third red;
                              1 month at fourth red;
                              2 months at fifth red; 
                              3 months with each additional red
Inappropriate language        5 days at first red; 
                              10 days at second red;
                              3 weeks at third red;
                              1 month at fourth red;
                              2 months at fifth red; 
                              3 months with each additional red
Forum disruptions              3 days at first red; 
                              7 days at second red;
                              10 days at third red;
                              3 weeks at fourth red;
                              1 month at fifth red; 
                              2 months with each additional red
Baiting                        3 days at first red; 
                              7 days at second red;
                              10 days at third red;
                              3 weeks at fourth red;
                              1 month at fifth red; 
                              2 months with each additional red
Trolling                      2 days at first red; 
                              4 days at second red;
                              6 days at third red;
                              10 days at fourth red;
                              3 weeks at fifth red; 
                              1 month with each additional red
Doping Allegetions            3 days at first red; 
                              7 days at second red;
                              10 days at third red;
                              3 weeks at fourth red;
                              1 month at fifth red; 
                              2 months with each additional red
Match Fixing Allegations      3 days at first red; 
                              7 days at second red;
                              10 days at third red;
                              3 weeks at fourth red;
                              1 month at fifth red; 
                              2 months with each additional red

The users previously banned permanently should be punished according to these rules and allowed to return only after their punishment is complete. I would like to ask the Mods and Admins if they think that these punishment periods are severe enough or if they want to increase the periods for each red card.

Also, I have no problem if the offenses I marked in red are eventually punished with permanent bans (suggested by our good friends Masterclass and Amber), since they are truly a problem in online communities. So long as the 15 offenses = permaban rule falls and no other less severe offense is given a permaban.

Also, I do think we should host another thread with a poll and global announcement starting on April 15th and have a forum vote for this rule.

I like this suggestion, very fair and thoughtful :yeah:

Mimi 04-02-2013 09:14 AM

Re: Eliminate the Permaban - Jelena
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by masterclass (Post 14446874)
Allowing some of the previous permabanned users to return is easy.

If permabans will not be given anymore for exceeding a total of non-serious/extreme offenses, or an offense that caused one to go over some maximum limit (15), then bring allow any of the users that were permabanned for those reasons to post again.

Users that were banned for serious offenses which shall continue to have a permaban, shall stay banned.

If permabans are completely done away with, then they should all be allowed to post again if due to their absence, they've served the maximum time for the offense.

Respectfully,
masterclass

:yeah:

janko05 04-02-2013 10:21 AM

Re: Eliminate the Permaban - Jelena
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by masterclass (Post 14446874)
Allowing some of the previous permabanned users to return is easy.

If permabans will not be given anymore for some of the reasons such as exceeding a total of non-serious/extreme offenses, or an offense that caused one to go over some maximum limit (15), then allow any of the users that were permabanned for those reasons to post again.

Users that were banned for serious offenses which shall continue to have a permaban, shall stay banned.

If permabans are completely done away with, then they should all be allowed to post again if due to their absence, they've served the maximum time for the offense.

Respectfully,
masterclass

This.

TigerTim 04-02-2013 09:04 PM

Re: Eliminate the Permaban - Jelena
 
give my full backing to the new plans

The Prince 04-02-2013 09:34 PM

Re: Eliminate the Permaban - Jelena
 
If you are going to threaten, wish death or injury, make discriminatory remarks or even excessively troll for sustained periods of time, I think you have no place on the tennis forum, and no reason to come back. How on earth is a permanent ban from an Internet forum like a death penalty?

Punky 04-02-2013 09:41 PM

Re: Eliminate the Permaban - Jelena
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bulldog (Post 14455546)
If you are going to threaten, wish death or injury, make discriminatory remarks or even excessively troll for sustained periods of time, I think you have no place on the tennis forum, and no reason to come back. How on earth is a permanent ban from an Internet forum like a death penalty?

when u will know that pls share it me bc i have no idea how Someone could use that as a metaphor

Slasher1985 04-03-2013 06:06 AM

Re: Eliminate the Permaban - Jelena
 
It is a death penalty, because your account cannot be used anymore. Just look at "Clay Death shrine thread", "We miss you Corey Feldman". I mean, if users make such threads and remember the lost users like they were "dead", than this metaphor is allowed, Bulldog and Amber.


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