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2003 01-16-2013 01:07 AM

33 combined slams vs 1 - does Murray have the right to be in a "big four"?
 
Federer, Djokovic and Nadal have a combined 33 slams between them. Okay, it is a somewhat Nadal/Fed heavy total, but nevertheless Djokovic has at least been number one and had a 3 slam season and four straight GS finals to his name. He has 5 grand slam titles, four ammassed in the past 24 months.

Is Murray really befiting of being in a "big four"?

Discuss.

EliSter 01-16-2013 01:08 AM

Re: 33 combined slams vs 1 - does Murray have the right to be in a "top four"?
 
Nop.

Moozza 01-16-2013 01:09 AM

Re: 33 combined slams vs 1 - does Murray have the right to be in a "top four"?
 
Yes.

End of discussion.

Topspindoctor 01-16-2013 01:09 AM

Re: 33 combined slams vs 1 - does Murray have the right to be in a "big four"?
 
Highlander's career just beginning. After winning AO, he'll have 4-6 years where he wins 2-3 slams a year. Which puts him roughly above Noserer. He also has that impeccable playstation record where he has no peer.

2003 01-16-2013 01:12 AM

Re: 33 combined slams vs 1 - does Murray have the right to be in a "big four"?
 
Del Potro certainly didn't become part of a "big 3" with Federer and Nadal after winning 2009 US Open. It wasn't even a discussion point.

No in my book, not yet anyway. If he has a 2 slam season, i'll accept his place.

BauerAlmeida 01-16-2013 01:13 AM

Re: 33 combined slams vs 1 - does Murray have the right to be in a "big four"?
 
No. Before 2011 when Djokovic had a career like the one Murray has now nobody talked about a big 3, they talked about Fedal.

It wasn't untill Novak started dominating, reached N1, won multiple slams and defeated Federer and Nadal in multiple ocassions in the same year that people started talking about the BIG 3.

Murray needs a few more slams and some weeks at N1 (and a year end) for a TOP 4 to exist. The other 3 are clearly above him.

emotion 01-16-2013 01:13 AM

Re: 33 combined slams vs 1 - does Murray have the right to be in a "big four"?
 
Career wise, of course not
Currently, yes

Han Solo 01-16-2013 01:23 AM

Re: 33 combined slams vs 1 - does Murray have the right to be in a "big four"?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by djokovicgonzalez (Post 12767578)
Career wise, of course not
Currently, yes

This is it.

If he continues to play like he did in 2012, he will surely win more majors and be considered, if not a "great", then at least a very good player, on a par with the likes of Becker, Vilas, etc.

BauerAlmeida 01-16-2013 01:27 AM

Re: 33 combined slams vs 1 - does Murray have the right to be in a "big four"?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Han Solo (Post 12767842)
This is it.

If he continues to play like he did in 2012, he will surely win more majors and be considered, if not a "great", then at least a very good player, on a par with the likes of Becker, Vilas, etc.

Becker is too far away. Vilas sounds maybe more realistic.

rocketassist 01-16-2013 01:28 AM

Re: 33 combined slams vs 1 - does Murray have the right to be in a "big four"?
 
Becker won 6 slams, it's a pipedream to get that far.

But then you look at who's peaking in 3-4 years and it could be almost like vulturing slams for any current top guy who stays fit.

Han Solo 01-16-2013 01:36 AM

Re: 33 combined slams vs 1 - does Murray have the right to be in a "big four"?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rocketassist (Post 12768066)
Becker won 6 slams, it's a pipedream to get that far.

But then you look at who's peaking in 3-4 years and it could be almost like vulturing slams for any current top guy who stays fit.

Of course, you are probably right here. But consider the case of Lendl - who took a long time to make the major breakthrough, winning his first when he was only a little younger than Murray, no?

With both Federer and probably Nadal in decline, and no youngster stepping up, can't you see Murray having a couple of seasons where he wins two of the majors...and then a single-major season after that?

BauerAlmeida 01-16-2013 01:44 AM

Re: 33 combined slams vs 1 - does Murray have the right to be in a "big four"?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Han Solo (Post 12768418)
Of course, you are probably right here. But consider the case of Lendl - who took a long time to make the major breakthrough, winning his first when he was only a little younger than Murray, no?

With both Federer and probably Nadal in decline, and no youngster stepping up, can't you see Murray having a couple of seasons where he wins two of the majors...and then a single-major season after that?

But Djokovic's still there. Del Potro will be soon and one of the new generation maybe (unlikely though).

Sauletekis 01-16-2013 01:48 AM

Re: 33 combined slams vs 1 - does Murray have the right to be in a "big four"?
 
There is only Big 3 and Murray doesnt make part of it.

janko05 01-16-2013 01:50 AM

Re: 33 combined slams vs 1 - does Murray have the right to be in a "big four"?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Topspindoctor (Post 12767450)
Highlander's career just beginning. After winning AO, he'll have 4-6 years where he wins 2-3 slams a year. Which puts him roughly above Noserer. He also has that impeccable playstation record where he has no peer.

:haha::haha:

such a shame you've been banned for so long

Han Solo 01-16-2013 02:03 AM

Re: 33 combined slams vs 1 - does Murray have the right to be in a "big four"?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BauerAlmeida (Post 12768554)
But Djokovic's still there. Del Potro will be soon and one of the new generation maybe (unlikely though).

Djokovic should win more majors than Murray overall - he's better, and he has a headstart!

But, last season in majors their H2H stands at 1-1. Both were five-setters. I would suggest based on this that Djokovic won't have it all his own way this season or the next...


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