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BedsheetRubber92 12-09-2012 04:01 AM

Randomized Seeding in Tennis
 
I hear people complaining all the time about how seeding in tennis works. Most of all it was during the US open when Murray ended up in Federer's semi rather than Ferrer. I like how the seeding works because otherwise we would have seen one million Federer-Murray Nadal-Djokovic Murray-Ferrer matches due to the stagnation of the rakings over the past 4 years.

GOATsol 12-09-2012 04:04 AM

Re: Randomized Seeding in Tennis
 
i don't understand

BedsheetRubber92 12-09-2012 04:11 AM

Re: Randomized Seeding in Tennis
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GOATsol (Post 12599799)
i don't understand

You know how in most sports the team with the best record always plays the team with the worst record in the playoffs? In tennis they spread out the best players, but they treat players 1-2, 3-4, 5-8, and 9-16 as the same within their group.

GOATsol 12-09-2012 04:20 AM

Re: Randomized Seeding in Tennis
 
Oh I understand now. Thank you.

That is very true, and I agree with your point. :)

n8 12-09-2012 04:21 AM

Re: Randomized Seeding in Tennis
 
Randomisation is definitely better. Otherwise you may have players altering their results to achieve their preferred draws for Grand Slams. For example, Federer not wanting to become number one (at present), so he can avoid Rafa until the final.

RafaelNadalisGod 12-09-2012 04:31 AM

Re: Randomized Seeding in Tennis
 
No change. It's all good now

Soliloque 12-09-2012 10:09 AM

Re: Randomized Seeding in Tennis
 
Randomized is fine.

heya 12-10-2012 12:26 AM

Re: Randomized Seeding in Tennis
 
The survival of the best athletes will finally be possible with randomized seeding.
Back in 2006, the bad athletes & one dimensional servers were ranked 2-6 (Roddick, Blake, Ljubicic, Robredo).

The last 4 years, it became so much better with improved athletic players in the top 10 and most of them care about playing on clay & grass. 7 years ago,
the brats on tour scheduled mostly hardcourt events and their seeds were high because hardly anyone else was winning in grass events.

Certinfy 12-10-2012 12:27 AM

Re: Randomized Seeding in Tennis
 
Just change it to 16 seeds in Grand Slams. That's good enough for me, will make the first 3 rounds A LOT more interesting!

BauerAlmeida 12-10-2012 12:51 AM

Re: Randomized Seeding in Tennis
 
I'd rather have 1vs4 and 3vs2. It's fine random for QF, R16, etc. But SF should be like that IMO. And no, it wouldn't always be the same because rankings change.

emotion 12-10-2012 01:27 AM

Re: Randomized Seeding in Tennis
 
I'm okay with either, though I think I'd prefer unrandomized seeding.

I totally agree with 16 seeds

MaxPower 12-10-2012 04:28 AM

Re: Randomized Seeding in Tennis
 
Yes randomization is very important and seeding even in slams should be limited to 16, not 32. That makes early rounds more interesting. Problem with 32 seeding (even more so if it was fixed) is that it also provides ranking protection. The top guys gets easiest possible route. Is that good? NO because it becomes almost impossible to overtake them in the rankings.

Some say the top4 is the only thing that hasnt changed. But how much did the top8 change the past 3 years or so? Ferrer isn't going anywhere and hasn't in a long time. Soderling was ahead of Ferrer and just as locked into his top position before he went down to mono. Berdych has been in the top8 for what? 3 years in a row now? Del Potro would just like Soderling definitely been locked into top8 if he hadn't gotten an injury.

top8 has been almost as safe as top4. It's not a coincidence that 9-10 has seen more changes. Mostly because of how the seeding system works where actually entire top8 gets bye in R1 in many tournaments and cakewalk until QF in most slams. Only way to ever displace someone in top8 would be to do one of those magical runs like for example Soderling achieved in RG 2009 where he had to beat a nr1 in R3 but also backed it up and somehow made final as a 20is seed.

It's VERY HARD to fight your way into top8 due to the seeding advantage they hold in all the M1000 and slams and reaching QF in most of them (like for example Berdych) if enough to keep everyone else behind unless they do magical runs and gain big paydays like winning a M1000 or reaching a slam final.

HKz 12-10-2012 06:16 AM

Re: Randomized Seeding in Tennis
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by heya (Post 12602039)
The survival of the best athletes will finally be possible with randomized seeding.
Back in 2006, the bad athletes & one dimensional servers were ranked 2-6 (Roddick, Blake, Ljubicic, Robredo).

The last 4 years, it became so much better with improved athletic players in the top 10 and most of them care about playing on clay & grass. 7 years ago,
the brats on tour scheduled mostly hardcourt events and their seeds were high because hardly anyone else was winning in grass events.

Wat

Trollicki 12-10-2012 01:47 PM

Re: Randomized Seeding in Tennis
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Certinfy (Post 12602042)
Just change it to 16 seeds in Grand Slams. That's good enough for me, will make the first 3 rounds A LOT more interesting!

I pretty much agree, this would probably go a long way in making the Slams more suspenseful.


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