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petar_pan 11-29-2012 02:31 PM

Why players don't go to net more often?
 
I allready asked that today but mods deleted my post for some reason.

GOATsol 11-29-2012 02:38 PM

Re: Why players don't go to net more often?
 
because the surfaces are too slow and racket technology has increased

decrepitude 11-29-2012 02:41 PM

Re: Why players don't go to net more often?
 
^^ and they are likely to be left standing there like a stranded whale while the ball whizzes past them, if they are playing a decent baseliner.

petar_pan 11-29-2012 03:44 PM

Re: Why players don't go to net more often?
 
No way they can be faster than ball. Just look i.e. Cilic, he atacks well, opponent just monballs back but Mugrin stays back on the baseline instead come to the net, than he needs 5 times to win the same point.

Black Adam 11-29-2012 04:25 PM

Re: Why players don't go to net more often?
 
Players pass better today. Edberg, Sampras, McEnroe and Laver would be journey men in today's class.

petar_pan 11-29-2012 04:36 PM

Re: Why players don't go to net more often?
 
I don't think so. They would be always on the top of the game.

I don't say they need to go to the net after every single shot but when it is obvious they will win a point.

Mountaindewslave 11-29-2012 06:29 PM

Re: Why players don't go to net more often?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by petar_pan (Post 12585391)
I don't think so. They would be always on the top of the game.

I don't say they need to go to the net after every single shot but when it is obvious they will win a point.

people do go to the net when the timing is right occasionally on tour still, ala Federer / Raonic, etc.

but like the other posters have pointed out the technology and court speed makes trying to play a S/V game very difficult. the opponent just has so much time nowadays to set up the right angle to shoot the ball past you, it makes it challenging

HKz 11-29-2012 06:57 PM

Re: Why players don't go to net more often?
 
Despite the slow surfaces & technology aspect, the true reason is because they aren't practising coming in.. Just like it is a habit for some players to stand 5 miles behind the baseline or hit as many balls using their forehand, these are traits that develop on the practice courts. If you go watch practice sessions and practice matches of your favorite players, they barely come in unless it is to put away a short ball or they get drawn in from a drop shot of course.. Then on top of that, coaches and young players are continuing this trend of staying at the baseline anyways.

Yes the surface speeds, the changes in the balls and technology have had to some extent forced players to stay at the baseline more often, but there are still many players who do come in quite a bit and are ranked pretty high, but the problem is none of them are real superstars. So it is still foreseeable that if we had a truly elite player who does come into the net often, he could be ranked at the top of the men's game. So until some new talent appears that does S&V or at least come to the net often and then on top of that become a GS champion and/or top player, no young kids or coaches will be influenced to adopt such a style.

petar_pan 11-29-2012 08:27 PM

Re: Why players don't go to net more often?
 
Raonic and Isner (they are attacking a net after good shot) do that and I like them because they are smart. Federer, too. They are S&V players and they are ranked high.
Mate Pavic of Croatia plays S&V, he had away biggiest wins this summer out of his generation (2 top 40 wins). We will see what will be with him.

I know all about technology and slow courts but like I said in "Cilic's case", that's the problem.

Time Violation 11-29-2012 08:39 PM

Re: Why players don't go to net more often?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by petar_pan (Post 12585818)
Raonic and Isner (they are attacking a net after good shot) do that and I like them because they are smart. Federer, too. They are S&V players and they are ranked high.
Mate Pavic of Croatia plays S@V, he had away biggiest wins this summer out of his generation (2 top 40 wins). We will see what will be with him.

I know all about technology and slow court but like I said in "Cilic's case", that's the problem.

No way is Fed "S&V player" just because he comes to the net time to time, he doesn't play like Llodra or Stepanek. Raonic and Isner are two best servers at the moment on the whole tour, Cilic's serve is no where near that.

petar_pan 11-29-2012 08:55 PM

Re: Why players don't go to net more often?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Taejin (Post 12585839)
No way is Fed "S&V player" just because he comes to the net time to time, he doesn't play like Llodra or Stepanek. Raonic and Isner are two best servers at the moment on the whole tour, Cilic's serve is no where near that.

You completely missunderstanded my posts. I didn't say Federer is S&V but that he knows when to go to the net (after good attack). I didn't mwention Cilic's serve but his bad side that he doesn't go to the net after good attack.

Burrow 11-29-2012 09:02 PM

Re: Why players don't go to net more often?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GOATsol (Post 12585257)
because the surfaces are too slow and racket technology has increased

Racket technology has generally not increased in 15 years and in some exceptions, longer.

Burrow 11-29-2012 09:04 PM

Re: Why players don't go to net more often?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by HKz (Post 12585646)
Despite the slow surfaces & technology aspect, the true reason is because they aren't practising coming in.. Just like it is a habit for some players to stand 5 miles behind the baseline or hit as many balls using their forehand, these are traits that develop on the practice courts. If you go watch practice sessions and practice matches of your favorite players, they barely come in unless it is to put away a short ball or they get drawn in from a drop shot of course.. Then on top of that, coaches and young players are continuing this trend of staying at the baseline anyways.

Yes the surface speeds, the changes in the balls and technology have had to some extent forced players to stay at the baseline more often, but there are still many players who do come in quite a bit and are ranked pretty high, but the problem is none of them are real superstars. So it is still foreseeable that if we had a truly elite player who does come into the net often, he could be ranked at the top of the men's game. So until some new talent appears that does S&V or at least come to the net often and then on top of that become a GS champion and/or top player, no young kids or coaches will be influenced to adopt such a style.




I agree with this. Good post.

emotion 11-29-2012 09:58 PM

Re: Why players don't go to net more often?
 
Courts are too slow mostly, racquet technology is also a factor- as is simple lack of skill

Kolya 11-29-2012 10:22 PM

Re: Why players don't go to net more often?
 
Courts are too slow.

That is it. This flows on to junior tennis and hence leads to less attackers.


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