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MattATP 11-16-2012 06:45 AM

Bogota to replace the Los Angeles tournament
 
My apologies if this has been discussed here. I did a forum search but couldn't find any thread about this sale.

http://www.insidetennis.com/2012/11/...ennis-tourney/


Quote:

L.A.’s great summer tennis happening will be no more.

The Southern California Tennis Association, which owns the tournament
that has been played in L.A. for 85 years, is according to multiple
sources in the final stages of negotiations to sell The Farmers
Classic to investors in Colombia who will move the tournament to
Bogota. The deal reportedly will be worth $1.5 million, and there will
be no tournament in L.A. this year.
The article above was from the 8th. This article from yesterday mentions the owners of the Indian Wells event wanting to buy the tournament but were rebuffed.

Quote:

Indian Wells CEO Ray Moore told TENNIS.com that his group—which includes owner Larry Ellison, the CEO of Oracle—“offered to buy the tournament a year ago. They never came back to us. A year ago they gave us two stories, they said they’d sell 49 percent to us and we said Larry Ellison is not going to be a minority partner, and then they told us that they had someone else who was interested and would conform to the 51 to 49 percent, and they never even came back to us. They never said said, ‘Guys we have a buyer from Bogota do you want to preempt it?’ I’m surprised there wasn’t another conversation about it. I was amazed when we heard about the deal. We only heard about it two or three weeks ago.”
I read elsewhere that the tournament hasn't turned a profit in over 4 years and hadn't offered appearance fees for the top players for the past few years. We know how the olympics affected the tournament this year.

Chirag 11-16-2012 06:50 AM

Re: Farmers Classic: L.A. To Lose Its Big Tennis Tourney
 
a tennis event in Colombia might be good .But sad seeing so many old events dying :sad: But still tennis is SA is always good .We also need more events in Africa

Puschkin 11-16-2012 06:54 AM

Re: Farmers Classic: L.A. To Lose Its Big Tennis Tourney
 
:shrug: There are too many US hard court tourneys anyway.

LeChuck 11-16-2012 07:32 AM

Re: Farmers Classic: L.A. To Lose Its Big Tennis Tourney
 
So California will lose 2 ATP tournaments over the next couple of years, both being replaced by events in South America. San Jose which is the 4th oldest event on the tour (after Wimbledon, the US Open and Canadian Open) will shut down after 2013 with a tournament in Rio de Janeiro taking its place.

USA was a tennis superpower for so long, with so many great players competing for the world no.1 ranking and racking up the slam titles, plus a huge amount of depth in the top 10/20/50. Thus the smaller American tournaments used to attract very strong fields with the best American players, alongside many of the best Australian players and many of the top European players that resided in the US at least on a temporary basis.

However now tennis is dominated so strongly by European players that are not going to enter any of the smaller, non-mandatory US tournaments. Plus with it being clear that it is much better to train and develop primarily on clay instead of hard courts, less of the best or most promising foreign players are relocating to the US these days.

So the big American tournaments that are mandatory and attract all the best players will continue to be fine, but the smaller US tournaments will continue to struggle.

Mae 11-16-2012 07:48 AM

Re: Farmers Classic: L.A. To Lose Its Big Tennis Tourney
 
I do think that here in the U.S. we should suppose clay tennis more. Why the US has such a dislike for clay now I will never know. We used to have more clay court Tournaments. But now they are almost 100% gone! And yet then when a clay court Tournament is in full swing in Europe or elsewhere some Americans stupidly wonder why Americans can't play on clay :confused: Also without a lot of strong top tennis players in the U.S. tennis has lost a lot of popularity in the U.S.

coolfish1103 11-16-2012 08:13 AM

Re: Farmers Classic: L.A. To Lose Its Big Tennis Tourney
 
It's mentioned in the 2013 L.A. thread.

I am okay with the event going away if there's another sponsor out there wanting it. It's not like tennis has to be located in US all times, we have tons of them.

LeChuck 11-16-2012 08:16 AM

Re: Farmers Classic: L.A. To Lose Its Big Tennis Tourney
 
Even historically many of the great American players like Connors, McEnroe and Evert grew up playing mainly on har-tru/green clay, while the likes of Becker and Edberg grew up playing on red clay as have pretty much all of the great European players.

In fact Agassi in 1992 was the first ever male Wimbledon champion to have grown up playing on hard courts.

I believe that the USTA have switched some challenger/future tournaments and many of its junior events from hard courts to har-tru, which has been a step in the right direction. I've always thought some of the US tournaments such as Miami and Delray Beach should switch to har-tru as well, as that is very common surface in Florida anyway and some other South Eastern states.

It is not the same as red clay, but it would better for the US tennis if young and developing players spent more time on har-tru where they can still work on point construction, longer rallies, movement and sliding etc, instead of hard courts which are rougher on the joints.

n8 11-16-2012 08:45 AM

Re: Farmers Classic: L.A. To Lose Its Big Tennis Tourney
 
This is great news.

Southern C.A. already has a (much bigger) tournament, and spreading tournaments to other countries is always good in my books.

philosophicalarf 11-16-2012 09:33 AM

Re: Farmers Classic: L.A. To Lose Its Big Tennis Tourney
 
Who is going to want to play Bogota in the last week of the summer clay season? You're competing with Kitzbuhel that week for the dirtballers, most of whom have come from Hamburg or Gstaad the week before. Meanwhile, the hardcourters are heading to Washington the week after, which is an impractical transition from Bogota altitude.

Slasher1985 11-16-2012 09:39 AM

Re: Farmers Classic: L.A. To Lose Its Big Tennis Tourney
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by philosophicalarf (Post 12563198)
Who is going to want to play Bogota in the last week of the summer clay season? You're competing with Kitzbuhel that week for the dirtballers, most of whom have come from Hamburg or Gstaad the week before. Meanwhile, the hardcourters are heading to Washington the week after, which is an impractical transition from Bogota altitude.

L.A. 2013 is in the same week as Gstaad and Umag, while Kitzbuhel is with Washington. If Bogota is to be hosting the tournament, it's not gonna be in 2013 as a direct replacement (2013 is just not gonna have a tournament there anymore), but rather starting with 2014 in a new spot in the year's calendar, when players can be encouraged to make the trip to Bogota. It will probably replace the spot of the current Bogota 125K Challenger.

Wing Man Frank 11-16-2012 09:47 AM

Re: Farmers Classic: L.A. To Lose Its Big Tennis Tourney
 
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Originally Posted by Chirag (Post 12563068)
a tennis event in Colombia might be good .But sad seeing so many old events dying :sad: But still tennis is SA is always good .We also need more events in Africa

It will horrendous.

It's near impossible to get insurance as a UK citizen to go to Colombia, it is considered that bad.

duong 11-16-2012 10:20 AM

Re: Farmers Classic: L.A. To Lose Its Big Tennis Tourney
 
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Originally Posted by coolfish1103 (Post 12563132)
It's mentioned in the 2013 L.A. thread.

yes : many informations there :

http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=212810

notably this one, which Slasher already talked about

Quote:

It is possible that the Bogota group is simply buying the tournament sanction, and will look for another place on the calendar to hold the event, possibly in February when the other Latin American tournaments take place.

duong 11-16-2012 10:25 AM

Re: Farmers Classic: L.A. To Lose Its Big Tennis Tourney
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by StatRacket (Post 12563162)
This is great news.

Southern C.A. already has a (much bigger) tournament, and spreading tournaments to other countries is always good in my books.

I understand, but as far as the tennis overall economy is concerned, I really think that it's worrying how much its impact declines in the US, because whatever one thinks of the US, in terms of sports economy, they look to be much more effective to generate money than the rest of the world.

However, considering how things are, yes I think the Tour really has to develop in Asia and south America (both for economic reasons and because there are young players emerging from these countries - although there are emerging players in the US as well)

duong 11-16-2012 10:31 AM

Re: Farmers Classic: L.A. To Lose Its Big Tennis Tourney
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mae (Post 12563105)
I do think that here in the U.S. we should suppose clay tennis more. Why the US has such a dislike for clay now I will never know. We used to have more clay court Tournaments. But now they are almost 100% gone! And yet then when a clay court Tournament is in full swing in Europe or elsewhere some Americans stupidly wonder why Americans can't play on clay :confused: Also without a lot of strong top tennis players in the U.S. tennis has lost a lot of popularity in the U.S.

I had the impression that there were more claycourt futures in the US now, especially in Florida near Bollettieri's academy (edit : I see someone had said it before :lol: )

I also had the impression that there were still a few players from other countries improving their game in such academies, as Nishikori did.

I don't have the impression that European academies have developed that much (although Taro Daniel spent most of his time in Spanish futures then I guess he practises in Spain).

uxyzapenje 11-16-2012 01:33 PM

Re: Farmers Classic: L.A. To Lose Its Big Tennis Tourney
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chirag (Post 12563068)
a tennis event in Colombia might be good .But sad seeing so many old events dying :sad: But still tennis is SA is always good .We also need more events in Africa

At least bring back Johannesburg... Now it's only Casablanca...


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